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    The discussion about the Pennsylvania couple who relied on prayer to cure their sick son has given rise to the question of whether or not it is God's will/fault that evil exists.

    I'm starting this thread because I'm interested in what people have to say about this, and I may even chime in myself.
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    If I've always understood the teachings correctly, it is not God's will.

    God gave humans brains and put them on earth to make their own choices. If evil exists, it is because humans have chosen to commit such acts.
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    Without evil, their can't be any good, because how would we know it's good? If we have no choice, there was no evil/bad possibilities, how could we ever be good? We would just...be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ban basketball View Post
    If I've always understood the teachings correctly, it is not God's will.

    God gave humans brains and put them on earth to make their own choices. If evil exists, it is because humans have chosen to commit such acts.
    That's what I've understood, but why did he create us with such a propensity for evil deeds? And why did he create disease and other disasters? To test us? Baloney! A one year old child doesn't need to be tested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zapp Brannigan View Post
    Without evil, their can't be any good, because how would we know it's good? If we have no choice, there was no evil/bad possibilities, how could we ever be good? We would just...be.
    But some people's lives ae so bad through no fault of their own that they'd be happy to have a bland live rather than their miserable God given opportunity to recognize good.
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    But some people's lives ae so bad through no fault of their own that they'd be happy to have a bland live rather than their miserable God given opportunity to recognize good.
    If I understand the general direction you're heading, I don't think God has a direct hand in day-to-day human life. I think he created the universe (via the Big Bang), set teh rules, and allows us to live our lives. As with anything in this world, there is a matter of chance, and sadly some people end up with bad lives through no fault of their own. However, I often also find that a lot of people have bad lives through their own choices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spider View Post
    That's what I've understood, but why did he create us with such a propensity for evil deeds? And why did he create disease and other disasters? To test us? Baloney! A one year old child doesn't need to be tested.
    He didn't. He put us on earth with a brain. We simply choose the evil deeds.

    As for the disease and disaster, that may be out of my league to be able to explain, but I'm inclined to think that it is one of "God's great mysteries."

    Either way (and I don't mean to be snide with this), I used to find it necessary when I was younger to have to prove to people that God, Jesus, heaven, hell, etc, etc are nonsense concepts and people are fools for believing it. (Oddly enough, I was raised and confirmed a Lutheran, but lived the first 42 years of my life agnostic). I then lived with a married couple in California, with her being a very Christian person. She was the happiest, most gracious person I had ever met in my life, and it was then that I realized that it wasn't my job to tell someone that they are wrong for their beliefs that harm no one and brings that person total joy. It just seemed really childish and arrogant to me.

    From that point onward, if religion makes someone happy and they hold faith that this stuff is true, why is my job to tell them otherwise? It doesn't make me any more intelligent than that person, nor does itmake me better than them.

    As I've gotten older, I believe this more and more. I also have learned, as a practicing social scientist, that science is not perfect, and is based A WHOLE LOT on faith. In fact, and in some ways, just as much so as is religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zapp Brannigan View Post
    If I understand the general direction you're heading, I don't think God has a direct hand in day-to-day human life. I think he created the universe (via the Big Bang), set teh rules, and allows us to live our lives. As with anything in this world, there is a matter of chance, and sadly some people end up with bad lives through no fault of their own. However, I often also find that a lot of people have bad lives through their own choices.
    Is chance truly random, or does God control everything except human decisions? If God just set things in motion and now sits back and watches, what value is prayer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spider View Post
    Is chance truly random, or does God control everything except human decisions? If God just set things in motion and now sits back and watches, what value is prayer?
    Controls everything in what sense? I think he set the rules of the universe (physics, etc.) and we live in it. But I don't think he controls chance in the sense he says "Ok, this guy grows up with crappy parents, and this kid gets a disease, but this kid gets a great family life and lots of money."
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