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    Quote Originally Posted by ban basketball View Post
    He didn't. He put us on earth with a brain. We simply choose the evil deeds.

    As for the disease and disaster, that may be out of my league to be able to explain, but I'm inclined to think that it is one of "God's great mysteries."

    Either way (and I don't mean to be snide with this), I used to find it necessary when I was younger to have to prove to people that God, Jesus, heaven, hell, etc, etc are nonsense concepts and people are fools for believing it. (Oddly enough, I was raised and confirmed a Lutheran, but lived the first 42 years of my life agnostic). I then lived with a married couple in California, with her being a very Christian person. She was the happiest, most gracious person I had ever met in my life, and it was then that I realized that it wasn't my job to tell someone that they are wrong for their beliefs that harm no one and brings that person total joy. It just seemed really childish and arrogant to me.

    From that point onward, if religion makes someone happy and they hold faith that this stuff is true, why is my job to tell them otherwise? It doesn't make me any more intelligent than that person, nor does itmake me better than them.

    As I've gotten older, I believe this more and more. I also have learned, as a practicing social scientist, that science is not perfect, and is based A WHOLE LOT on faith. In fact, and in some ways, just as much so as is religion.

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    Ban, that makes a whole lot of sense to me. I'd never try to convince a guy like Mike Furches that he's wrong, especially since he finds strength in his faith and truly uses it for the betterment of those around him. And as I've said many times before, my atheistic beliefs are no more or less valid than anyone else's. They will never be proven right or wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zapp Brannigan View Post
    Controls everything in what sense? I think he set the rules of the universe (physics, etc.) and we live in it. But I don't think he controls chance in the sense he says "Ok, this guy grows up with crappy parents, and this kid gets a disease, but this kid gets a great family life and lots of money."
    Does God respond to prayers?
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    Does God respond to prayers?
    Now THAT is an interesting question, Spider. I've pondered that one a lot, and I don't know if I have a satisfactory answer. As of now, I think I'd say he does NOT, but he has structured the world and universe in such a way that we are capable of getting what we want or desire based on the amount of effort we put in.
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    God is presented as omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent. If so, then when I picked up that tiny baby with severe burns from the VC burning her village because the villagers had not paid taxes - God knew it, He was present, and He could have done something. So I am faced with two choices. God allowed this to happen to a little baby - or God doesn't have the advertised powers. If He doesn't have the power, what makes him God? If he does, and he permits this, why would I have anything to do with Him?

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    All a part of the great mystery of faith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M Richardson View Post
    God is presented as omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent. If so, then when I picked up that tiny baby with severe burns from the VC burning her village because the villagers had not paid taxes - God knew it, He was present, and He could have done something. So I am faced with two choices. God allowed this to happen to a little baby - or God doesn't have the advertised powers. If He doesn't have the power, what makes him God? If he does, and he permits this, why would I have anything to do with Him?
    It is a question of free will. Either God allows us to live our lives and choose our path or he does not. We cannot have it both ways. On one hand we say we want free will we then can not say on the other hand God we want you to intervene in our daily lives.

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    To Spider's question if God answers prayers. Yes. He may not answer the way you want him to, but he does answer. I remember praying that Susan Hacker would be my wife one day (I was 14). That didn't happen, but my prayers for a great wife were answered. My original prayer about Susan was answered, too. He simply saw that it wasn't in my best interest to marry her.

    As far as kids dying or burning in a building go, God already saved them. I don't know why he allows bad things to happen, but I have also learned to never put a question mark where God put a period. In his eyes, we are children. Those of you with children can surely sympathize with not explaining something to your child because they weren't at the age to understand. (Clean your room......Why?.....Because I said so). I feel it is the same thing with God. Some things we are just too young to understand. He will clue us in when we get to heaven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M Richardson View Post
    God is presented as omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent. If so, then when I picked up that tiny baby with severe burns from the VC burning her village because the villagers had not paid taxes - God knew it, He was present, and He could have done something. So I am faced with two choices. God allowed this to happen to a little baby - or God doesn't have the advertised powers. If He doesn't have the power, what makes him God? If he does, and he permits this, why would I have anything to do with Him?
    M, you've seen things much more terrible than I can imagine. Still, I'll play the devil's advocate here - all too appropriate for an atheist. I agree with Ugly. Those who believe in God will argue that man has the ability to do wonderful kindnesses or horrible cruelty. It is his choice and God does not intervene in man's free will. Now natural disasters ("acts of God"), well they're a little harder to explain.
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    I don't get it - never have, never will. If the burned baby is in heaven and saved, why is it considered a tragedy instead of a reason for celebration?
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