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    Quote Originally Posted by Spider View Post
    What is the cure to kill ratio for prayer and what is it for medicine? Which method would you trust for yourself or your loved ones? Don't cop out and say both. If it had to be one or the other, which one is more reliable?
    That's irrelevant to those who rely on faith. Numbers mean nothing, as they believe that God heals all.

    it may not be "logical" for many, but it is their faith, which is what our country professes to protect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spider View Post
    What is the cure to kill ratio for prayer and what is it for medicine? Which method would you trust for yourself or your loved ones? Don't cop out and say both. If it had to be one or the other, which one is more reliable?
    I am not trying to cop out when I give you this answer, just read it and take it for what it is.

    There is no way to know what the kill ratio for prayer is, because we don't know how many times it works. All we hear about is when it doesn't work. Can you honestly think of a story in the local paper where someone was healed by faith? It isn't reported because the people who choose to use this method are not looking for praise from the public. If they were to report it working, people would tell them that they are ridiculous and give some other explanation for it.

    As far as I go. I choose natural methods whenever possible. Those were in the Bible, too. But, if I had a situation like the one presented, I would have taken my kid to the doctor. I just can't condemn someone for choosing an alternative. Things that were considered "good medicine" in the old days are now considered bad practice.

    So, if I were on a jury trying to decide whether to prosecute the parents, I would find them not guilty, even though I would have taken the kid to the doctor.

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    On one hand all good things come from God
    Not to be a d!ck, but don't all bad things come from him as well?

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    Default Re: Pennsylvania couple on trial in prayer death of ill son, 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Flop The Nuts View Post
    Not to be a d!ck, but don't all bad things come from him as well?
    That is not a dick question. I will respond but I am not going to debate because it will hijack the thread.

    In the Christian religion all good is from god all bad comes from the devil and man. It comes from man because we are inherently sinful because of the choice adam and eve made. God lets us choose good or evil in our lives but does not cause bad. Some believe death to be bad most believers do not view it that way, death is the end of your temporary life here on earth but if you are a believer it is the beginning of the eternal life with God in heaven. Any punishment that is perceived to be from God is not because he is bad but it is because like children we need to be corrected and put back on the path.

    Other religions might have a differing belief but that is the Christian belief. I hope that answers your question if not start another thread and we can debate.

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    I agree with Spider one this one. Children need to be protected from their parents who can't provide the proper care.
    Becasue the dominant religion is Christain in this country many think this is a tough call.
    As an atheist, I do not. Freedom of Religion does not give you the right to break the law.
    Child abuse is against the law and letting your child die becasue you did not believe in Medical care is child abuse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
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    As far as this case goes, it is very difficult. Especially when you read the part that says "about a dozen" children die this way every year. I don't have stats, but I will guarantee that more than a dozen children per year die due to modern medicine screw ups. So, what do you do? You can't ban modern medicine because it causes more deaths than prayer. It is tricky. I would simply let them be. I am sure they are true believers and didn't want anything to happen to their child. But atheists are true believers in modern medicine and it kills many more each year.
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    Hundreds of millions of people rely on modren medicine and there maybe a tiny percentage of them who die from treatment they receive and would have lived if they had no treatment at all.

    For something straightforward such as pnuemonia, you would be foolish to think you can compare the cure rate of modern medicine v. prayer.

    There is a reason 100 years many people died of things that we think as minor illnesses today.
    There are situations where the cure rate is very low and the treatment is painful that I understand why people decide to shun modern medicine and try alternatives such as prayer.

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    I sure hope all of you folks invoking the Constitution and Freedom of Religion are outraged that some people are trying to block the Ground Zero Mosque.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ground&Pound View Post
    I sure hope all of you folks invoking the Constitution and Freedom of Religion are outraged that some people are trying to block the Ground Zero Mosque.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spider View Post
    BUT



    Freedom of religion doesn't mean freedom to criminally abuse children.
    Yup.

    It's bad theology too. Mainstream Christians generally believe that miracles are, by definition, rare and things usually work according to natural laws. Even the most devout Christians get sick and eventually pass away. God gave us the intelligence and the natural resources to create medicines, and the responsibility to take care of our children.

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