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    Default Psychology vs Free will vs no Free will

    "Repression of desire required by life in developed countries makes happiness virtually impossible" Sigmund Freud


    Supposedly what the above quote by Freud indicates is that by promoting what can be desired by people will make them want to get these things or face virtually unhappy life. Most people cannot survive unhappiness for a long time.

    Hence, in a Democracy those in power can learn techniques to control people without guns or prisons. Show them a way to get what is desired and they will follow like the blind follow their dogs.

    This is an interesting phenomenon. Can the right advertisements, slogans, and customs take the masses hostage without guns and prisons? I would say yes but of course not everyone may agree.

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    "Repression of desire required by life in developed countries makes happiness virtually impossible" Sigmund Freud

    Does this also mean that satisfying desires brings happinesss?

    If "those in power" are fulfilling desires, then they are doing their subjects a service by bringing them happieness.

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    If "those in power" are fulfilling desires, then they are doing their subjects a service by bringing them happieness.

    Yeah but at what cost?

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    Well isn't happiness the main goal in life?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Big Stiffy View Post
    Well isn't happiness the main goal in life?
    Say eating pastry makes you happy. Does that mean eating lots of pastry all the time is a good thing?

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    That is a different kind of happiness though. I can handle only so many pastries before it no longer makes me happy. But to stay with your current idea, as long as the gov't stays focused on what makes me happy, and changes things when they need to be changed, then I'll stay happy and live happily ever after.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Big Stiffy View Post
    That is a different kind of happiness though. I can handle only so many pastries before it no longer makes me happy. But to stay with your current idea, as long as the gov't stays focused on what makes me happy, and changes things when they need to be changed, then I'll stay happy and live happily ever after.
    I think the problem with this line of thought is that there are LOTS of people in the US and they all have different ideas about what makes them happy. Thus, the government has no possible way to make everyone happy. Additionally, governments are run by fallible beings (people). People have different ideas about what makes them happy, so the real possibility exists that the people in the governmetn could disagree with the people who are being governed, so the governed could be forced to do something against their wll merely because they disagreed with some government official.

    The most equitable way to make people happy is to let them find what makes them happy on their own. Then they won't be subjected to someone else's idea of happiness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skipster View Post
    I think the problem with this line of thought is that there are LOTS of people in the US and they all have different ideas about what makes them happy. Thus, the government has no possible way to make everyone happy. Additionally, governments are run by fallible beings (people). People have different ideas about what makes them happy, so the real possibility exists that the people in the governmetn could disagree with the people who are being governed, so the governed could be forced to do something against their wll merely because they disagreed with some government official.

    The most equitable way to make people happy is to let them find what makes them happy on their own. Then they won't be subjected to someone else's idea of happiness.
    Not the government by itself but lobbysts. big business, and other business people all doing it tgether to appeal to human weaknesses without regard to mental, emotional and physical consequences they have on people.

    Does a person have complete control over himself when he is given enticing options or not? I think sometimes and often not.

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    I think that a person has control over himself in ALL situations. A person can ALWAYS say "no." If someone puts food in front of someone else, there's nothing forcing that second party to eat the food. The same applies to peoples' weight. How about the person who sued McDonald's because they got fat from eating too much of that food? Is the person who actually ate the food responsible, or the company that allowed them to eat the food?

    You are the ultimate decider in what you do. No one can MAKE you do anything. The final decision to do something resides with the individual.

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