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    Default Re: Psychology vs Free will vs no Free will

    Is the person who actually ate the food responsible, or the company that allowed them to eat the food?

    Repsonsibility works both ways. Duh.

    Big, to stay on track, I agree with your premise that people can be controlled (I would say persuaded) without guns or prisons.

    Advertising is a multi-billion dollar industry. If it didn't work, they wouldn't be spending billions of dollars to tell us to eat at Taco Bell (or for 3 year olds McDonalds), drink Bud Light, and buy Chevy trucks. After all, this is o-ur country.
    Last edited by matclone; 09-07-2007 at 11:41 AM.

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    "those in power" don't use advertising to "control" us.

    Competing businesses use advertising to get us to buy their product instead of their competitions.

    There is a big difference.

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    Competing businesses use advertising to get us to buy their product instead of their competitions.

    Or maybe in addition to their competition's product, or maybe so you buy their product instead of saving your money or buying something unrelated.

    What do you suppose all the major media corp's gain by their constant advertising to us (think, e.g. of ESPN, or Fox News or CNN).

    "those in power" don't use advertising to "control" us.

    You mention business. What about government?

    And isn't marketing an attempt to control our behavior?

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    I would characterize marketing as an attempt to influence, but not control. Only the individual can control his own behavior.

    Not everyone is influenced by the same things. Not everyone likes fast food or other things that may be heavily marketed. Thus, they can only influence a portion of the population, but can not control the population. Additionally, someone can decide not to follow the influence, which destroys the possibility of control.

    Only YOU can control yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matclone View Post

    "those in power" don't use advertising to "control" us.

    You mention business. What about government?

    And isn't marketing an attempt to control our behavior?
    I guess at times the Feds do resort to advertising campaigns in an attempt to control us...



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    Quote Originally Posted by skipster View Post
    Only YOU can control yourself.
    That's why advertising is multi-billion dollar industry. Oops, sorry, I said that already.

    Only YOU can prevent forest fires. Lightning or other campers don't have anything to do with it. It's all about YOU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ground&Pound View Post
    I guess at times the Feds do resort to advertising campaigns in an attempt to control us...
    Capricorn that I am, I always had a secret wish to be part of an organized "just say no" campaign, but, alas, I was too old for Mrs. Reagan's purposes.

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    You are the ultimate decider in what you do. No one can MAKE you do anything. The final decision to do something resides with the individual.

    Sure but then what the above quote by Freud suggests is that people that think for themselves instead of giving into their desires promoted by business will be virtually unhappy by constantly feeling the pressure of not doing something they are tempted to do. Is that a good mental state skipster?

    The truth is every psychologist knows many of people's desires develop not naturally but by seeing and hearing about different products and services

    For example, I never ate pizza or McDonalds until I came to America. So, until I was 14 years old I never felt like I was missing out on those particular foods.

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    How about medical advertisements? "If diet and exercise aren't enough.....take these pills to lose weight......that NASTY hormone cortisol is at fault that you gain weight....suppress it with pills....just one yellow pill per day (as if that means better than 3 pills) Then, you see a happy and smiling person just like you taking those pills. Is that not a powerful influence for many?

    There is a pill for everything. When people think how much work it is to lose body fat naturally, they take pills. You work hard and you have high blood pressure, just take the pill. Cholesterol is high? Just take the pill. Continue to work hard and earn that money but take the pills.
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