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    here's a possibility according to Foxnews:

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...atus-question/

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    [QUOTE=FloggingSully;345208]Eisenhower, Nixon, and Carter also defeated incumbents in that time.

    Do you mean incumbent party? Because Johnson would not "see or accept his party's nomination" and Truman also didn't seek re-election. And even if you did mean incumbent party, I think the fact that it was a different candidate changes the dynamic making your point less conclusive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FloggingSully View Post
    Eisenhower, Nixon, and Carter also defeated incumbents in that time.

    By my count, in the past 70 years there have been 5 1-term presidents (Truman, Johnson, Ford, Carter, Bush I), 6 2-term presidents (Rosevelt, Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan, Clinton and Bush II) and 1 who died before he could run for re-election. Seems to me like getting re-elected is pretty much a toss-up.

    You need to recheck your history...YOUR count is OFF.

    Eisenhower did NOT defeat an incumbent. He defeated Adlai Stevenson NOT Truman.

    Nixon did NOT defeat an incumbent. He beat Hubert Humphrey, NOT Johnson.

    Carter did beat an incumbent by the technical definition BUT Ford was never elected to the VP or Presidential office, Nixon was.

    Truman & Johnson both came into office via the former President's death & then won one term & then chose NOT to run again. Ford came into office via resignation. Carter & Bush are as I said the only ELECTED incumbents to lose.

    Btw Roosevelt was NOT a 2 term President, he was a 4 term President.

    Reagan was a political outsider & won by a landslide. Clinton beat Bush Sr but not as badly as Bush beat Dukakis.

    My point is is that if the GOP expect to win the 2012 election then they will have to break with history & not just serve up a whipping boy.

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    Tightwaist was dead on correct. Going to the center hurts the GOP. There is no room for wishy washiness. You either believe in conservative principles, or your just playing lip service. True conservative principles are hardly extreme.

    The ace in the hole is...

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    Paul Ryan. He is young but can campaign as the "economic fixer". He will be the president that understands the economy and how to balance a budget. He will not be a hope and change candidate other than his role in fixing our monetary position as a nation.

    He is being protected right now in order to keep the smear machine from trying to tear him down early on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FloggingSully View Post
    Eisenhower, Nixon, and Carter also defeated incumbents in that time.

    By my count, in the past 70 years there have been 5 1-term presidents (Truman, Johnson, Ford, Carter, Bush I), 6 2-term presidents (Rosevelt, Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan, Clinton and Bush II) and 1 who died before he could run for re-election. Seems to me like getting re-elected is pretty much a toss-up.
    Two of those one term presidents chose not to run, Johnson and Truman. Three lost lost their re-election bids, but one of those was never even elected to the White House in the first place Ford. So in reality only two presidents that had been elected to the White House, Carter and Bush 1 have lost re-election bids.

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    Eisenhower did not defeat and incumbent, Adlai Stevenson was never president. Nixon did not run against an encumbent, Humphrey was never president. Carter defeated Ford, who was never elected president.

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    I think we got the gist of that in your first post...

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    Which was a repeat of my post...


    Leglace, I will have to check out your boy. I havent heard of him. Interesting to see how this all plays out.

    Will Ron Paul run again? Or his son?

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    Sarah Palin sunk the GOP candidate in 2008. I said it the second McCain made the selection it was the blunder that destroyed his chances. In fact, I have heard a lot of people say he selected her because he did not want to win.
    I think that he wanted to win.........I respect and love the man.....I supported him in 2000. I think that Palin was forced upon him as a condition of the rightwingnuts supporting him....and driving off the undeclared independents in the center. it was the right wing that didin't want him to win IMO.
    Her becoming his running mate was his deathknell.
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