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    You heard it here first: New Jersey Governor Chris Christie.

    “Short of suicide, I don't really know what I'd have to do to convince you people that I'm not running. I'm not running!” Christie told reporters in Trenton, the state capital.

    “I've said I don't want to. I'm not going to. There is zero chance I will. I don't feel like I'm ready to be president. I don't want to run for president. I don't have the fire in the belly to run for president. But, yet, everyone seems to think that I've left the door open a little bit,” he said Thursday in exasperation.


    Sounds to me like he's testing the waters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JensenS View Post
    Based on my read on this post it seems to me that you consider "compromise" from Obama to doing exactly what the Republicans say?
    If I remember correctly, the Dems were the only party who made any significant concessions or compromises on the healthcare bill (they got rid of the government option).
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    I think strategically they have some interesting choices they can make.

    Obama has already said that he's more than willing to compromise on removing the 10-99 provision, so I wonder what would happen were in the first day of the new congress the Senate Democrats put up a provision to modify or remove the 10-99 AND modify or remove the EVILLLLLLLLLLLLLLL individual mandate, but nothing else and then dare the new GOP people to block it or try and vote it down.

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    ? As governor, Reagan was the biggest California spender of the last half century. Under him, state spending leaped 177%. And as president, he spent like the proverbial drunken sailor to expand the Navy and the nuclear missile arsenal while winning the Cold War. He left Washington with a then-record national debt.

    ? His first year as governor, Reagan raised taxes equal to 30% of the state general fund, still a modern record. And as president, he increased taxes several times, although conservatives pretend to remember only the one big tax cut.

    ? As governor, Reagan protected the spectacular John Muir Trail in the Sierra from highway builders and Central Valley business interests. He blocked dam building on the Eel and Feather rivers. He and Republican Gov. Paul Laxalt of Nevada set aside their aversion to centralized, intrusive government and created a bi-state agency to control growth at Lake Tahoe.

    ? Reagan signed legislation creating the California Air Resources Board, leading to the nation?s first tailpipe emissions standards.

    ? As governor, Reagan signed the nation?s then most liberal abortion rights bill. (He later called it a mistake.) He opposed a ballot initiative that would have permitted the firing of teachers for being gay.

    ? President Reagan signed a bill granting amnesty to illegal immigrants.
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    ? But after his initial victories on tax cuts and defense, the revolution effectively stalled. Deficits started to balloon, the recession soon deepened, his party lost ground in the 1982 midterms, and thereafter Reagan never seriously tried to enact the radical domestic agenda he'd campaigned on. Rather than abolish the departments of Energy and Education, as he had promised to do if elected president, Reagan added a new cabinet-level department--one of the largest federal agencies--the Department of Veterans Affairs.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o>

    ? Reagan also vastly expanded one of the largest federal domestic programs, Social Security.<o></o>

    ? The following year, Reagan made one of the greatest ideological about-faces in the history of the presidency, agreeing to a $165 billion bailout of Social Security. In almost every way, the bailout flew in the face of conservative ideology. It dramatically increased payroll taxes on employees and employers, brought a whole new class of recipients--new federal workers--into the system, and, for the first time, taxed Social Security benefits, and did so in the most liberal way: only those of upper-income recipients. (As an added affront to conservatives, the tax wasn't indexed to inflation, meaning that more and more people have gradually had to pay k over time.)<o></o>

    ? It's conservative lore that Reagan the icon cut taxes, while George H.W. Bush the renegade raised them. As Stockman recalls, "No one was authorized to talk about tax increases on Ronald Reagan's watch, no matter what kind of tax, no matter how justified it was." Yet raising taxes is exactly what Reagan did. He did not always instigate those hikes or agree to them willingly--but he signed off on them. One year after his massive tax cut, Reagan agreed to a tax increase to reduce the deficit that restored fully one-third of the previous year's reduction. (In a bizarre bit of self-deception, Reagan, who never came to terms with this episode of ideological apostasy, persuaded himself that the three-year, $100 billion tax hike--the largest since World War II--was actually "tax reform" that closed loopholes in his earlier cut and therefore didn't count as raising taxes.)<o></o>

    ? Faced with looming deficits, Reagan raised taxes again in 1983 with a gasoline tax and once more in 1984, this time by $50 billion over three years, mainly through closing tax loopholes for business. Despite the fact that such increases were anathema to conservatives--and probably cost Reagan's successor, George H.W. Bush, reelection--Reagan raised taxes a grand total of four times just between 1982-84.<o></o>

    ? Reagan continued these "modest rollbacks" in his second term. The historic Tax Reform Act of 1986, though it achieved the supply side goal of lowering individual income tax rates, was a startlingly progressive reform. The plan imposed the largest corporate tax increase in history--an act utterly unimaginable for any conservative to support today. Just two years after declaring, "there is no justification" for taxing corporate income, Reagan raised corporate taxes by $120 billion over five years and closed corporate tax loopholes worth about $300 billion over that same period. In addition to broadening the tax base, the plan increased standard deductions and personal exemptions to the point that no family with an income below the poverty line would have to pay federal income tax.<o></o>

    ? So would Russell Long. In 1975, the Democratic senator from Louisiana had passed into law the earned income tax credit (EITC), essentially a wage subsidy for the working poor. Long's measure was tiny to begin with and had dwindled to insignificance by the time Reagan agreed to expand it in 1986 as part of the tax reform act. Despite years of opposing social insurance programs, Reagan's support of the EITC gave rise to what has become one of the most effective antipoverty measures the federal government has ever devised--by the late 1990s, the EITC was lifting 4.3 million people out of poverty every year.<o></o>
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    Keith Olbermann SUSPENDED From MSNBC Indefinitely Without Pay

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    Discussing who the GOP nominee will be in 2012 is like asking who will be willing to be the next next Walter Mondale, Bob Dole or John Kerry.

    Only Ronald Reagen & Bill Clinton have defeated an incumbent President over the past 70 years. RR was not apart of the establishment but BC was. It is pretty clear that the 2 main political parties just throw a sacrificial lamb out so that Americans have the illusion of choice.



    In order to predict such a thing, one has to know the actual intent of the said group. And then we have to know who is actually in control of the policy making & decisions. Unless someone else grabs control of the GOP, I can predict with a lot of certainty that no matter who gets the nomination, they will be set up to lose to Obama. So far history has shown this to be the actual truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kr1963 View Post
    Only Ronald Reagen & Bill Clinton have defeated an incumbent President over the past 70 years.
    Eisenhower, Nixon, and Carter also defeated incumbents in that time.

    By my count, in the past 70 years there have been 5 1-term presidents (Truman, Johnson, Ford, Carter, Bush I), 6 2-term presidents (Rosevelt, Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan, Clinton and Bush II) and 1 who died before he could run for re-election. Seems to me like getting re-elected is pretty much a toss-up.
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    The one constant is that the incumbent will either win big or lose big.
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