Re: 2010 Election Day Discussion

**Chance174** · 11-02-2010, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by Spider

Just curious, UGLY, what's your opinion on the Tea Party? So far right that it will hurt Republicans? Glad someone finally got it right? Somewhere in between?

Spider, I know this wasn't directed at me but thought i would answer since i have been to a few rallies. The Tea Party isn't as far right as the media/Dems like to portray them. I have been to a few tea party rallies and it is all about getting back to fiscal conservatism. It is about what i consider getting back to being old school republicans. I can't speak for every rally but the ones i went were really only around spending, taxes, big government, and were after both parties (yes more dem than GOP). There wasn't anything from the Christian Right (which i consider farther right). The crowd was made up of every age, gender, color, and political parties.

If i could find a fiscal conservative, strong defense minded, but not driven by religion (Christian Right)....ie pro gay marriage, pro choice.....i would be happy

**~~coachsparky~~** · 11-02-2010, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by Chance174

Spider, I know this wasn't directed at me but thought i would answer since i have been to a few rallies. The Tea Party isn't as far right as the media/Dems like to portray them. I have been to a few tea party rallies and it is all about getting back to fiscal conservatism. It is about what i consider getting back to being old school republicans. I can't speak for every rally but the ones i went were really only around spending, taxes, big government, and were after both parties (yes more dem than GOP). There wasn't anything from the Christian Right (which i consider farther right). The crowd was made up of every age, gender, color, and political parties.

If i could find a fiscal conservative, strong defense minded, but not driven by religion (Christian Right)....ie pro gay marriage, pro choice.....i would be happy

Chance the problem is the vast majority, as in almost to a person, nominees from the tea party movement are Christian right wing conservative. That is because that is who Palin, Limbaugh and Hannity support, they push the nominees to their extreme right wing social agenda. I cannot think of a single tea party candidate who does not have that Christian right social agenda. If you know of one let me know who it is.

BTW, I am going to try and stay up late and watch results all night. How bout everybody else.

**Snackem** · 11-02-2010, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by coachsparky

Chance the problem is the vast majority, as in almost to a person, nominees from the tea party movement are Christian right wing conservative. That is because that is who Palin, Limbaugh and Hannity support, they push the nominees to their extreme right wing social agenda. I cannot think of a single tea party candidate who does not have that Christian right social agenda. If you know of one let me know who it is.

BTW, I am going to try and stay up late and watch results all night. How bout everybody else.

Though we don't have TV I'll be up late either listening to the results on the radio or watching the live stream on Hulu.

**Spider** · 11-02-2010, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by Chance174

Spider, I know this wasn't directed at me but thought i would answer since i have been to a few rallies. The Tea Party isn't as far right as the media/Dems like to portray them. I have been to a few tea party rallies and it is all about getting back to fiscal conservatism. It is about what i consider getting back to being old school republicans. I can't speak for every rally but the ones i went were really only around spending, taxes, big government, and were after both parties (yes more dem than GOP). There wasn't anything from the Christian Right (which i consider farther right). The crowd was made up of every age, gender, color, and political parties.

If I could find a fiscal conservative, strong defense minded, but not driven by religion (Christian Right)....ie pro gay marriage, pro choice.....i would be happy

Thanks, Chance. Good answer.

Two points:

1. If the Tea Party message isn't all that far right, do people like Glen Beck, Sarah Palin, and others who are polarizing influences hurt or help the party?

2. Snackem objected to criticism of the GOP that is 30 years old, yet you like that the Tea Party represents old school Republican values. Can't have it both ways. Who's right?

. . . and a third point afterthought: If i could find a fiscal conservative, strong defense minded, but not driven by religion (Christian Right)....ie pro gay marriage, pro choice, I'd be happy, too.

**~~coachsparky~~** · 11-02-2010, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by Spider

Thanks, Chance. Good answer.

Two points:

1. If the Tea Party message isn't all that far right, do people like Glen Beck, Sarah Palin, and others who are polarizing influences hurt or help the party?

2. Snackem objected to criticism of the GOP that is 30 years old, yet you like that the Tea Party represents old school Republican values. Can't have it both ways. Who's right?

. . . and a third point afterthought: If i could find a fiscal conservative, strong defense minded, but not driven by religion (Christian Right)....ie pro gay marriage, pro choice, I'd be happy, too.

I have to say: If i could find a fiscal conservative (who understands that defense expenses are 60 % of our national budget and need to be cut equally with any social budget cuts), strong defense minded, but not driven by religion (Christian Right)....ie pro gay marriage, pro choice, I'd be happy, too

**Snackem** · 11-02-2010, 11:18 AM

Spider in my defense I would have an issue with a similar video showing LBJ stuttering and stammering though a difficult question or Randi Rhodes yelling at a caller on her radio program to make a point.

**Flop The Nuts** · 11-02-2010, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by coachsparky

I have to say: If i could find a fiscal conservative (who understands that defense expenses are 60 % of our national budget and need to be cut equally with any social budget cuts), strong defense minded, but not driven by religion (Christian Right)....ie pro gay marriage, pro choice, I'd be happy, too

You can be pro-defense and still close useless bases, eliminate weapons programs that are obsolete (or trending towards obsolescence), and change the composition of the military.

Other than pro-defense, the qualities Chance listed above are all tenets of libertarianism.

**Spider** · 11-02-2010, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by Snackem

Spider in my defense I would have an issue with a similar video showing LBJ stuttering and stammering though a difficult question or Randi Rhodes yelling at a caller on her radio program to make a point.

Thanks, but there's no need for a defense. As I have said often on this forum, I'm not a very politically sophisticated person. My opinions are often overly simplistic, but I am turned off by extreme points of view from either side that tend to polarize people rather than to find common ground.

As many of you know, however, there are some issues upon which I take a strong position: euthansia (for), religion in government (against) and gay rights (for) just to name a few.

**JensenS** · 11-02-2010, 11:29 AM

Just got back, wound up with a pretty split ticket. Voted for 4 Dem's for local positions and 4 Rep's.

Went Libertarian for both Senator and Congress.

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