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    Mayor BLOOMBERG: I think that a lot of it has become politicized. The whole issue of the Islamic center, which was proposed a while ago and nobody seemed to have any problems with it, .....

    It was approved by the NYC planning board unbeknownist to anyone. Initially, the opposition arose after the occupancy was made public and the initial objections were from the WTC survivors and the surviving families. They brought the decision to allow the occupancy to the news media to get it some visibility and garner opposition from the community. The nimrod politcos latch on well after the fact and you'll note they were the first to disappear.

    Mayor BLOOMBERG:And if the government starts expressing a view of concern or relief, that's just the government trying to influence a decision which it should not......

    The Governor of NY got involved and offered to swap properties. Other local politicians worked from within the system , not through the news media to gain a relocation of the occupancy.

    Bloomberg is no fool. NYC is the No. 1 terrorist target in the world. NYC can't afford another incident the magnitude of the WTC attack. He's got enough trouble holding corporate offices within the city and not relocating to less costly properties elsewhere. There are more terror cells in and around the city than you can imagine. Why would he want to rile a hornets nest with his house? Another attack would be devastating to the NYC business and the NYC sphere of influence.

    Mayor BLOOMBERG: ......... And that's why things like defending the Constitution are so important, particularly when it's so close to the World Trade Center.

    There is nothing Constitutional about the issue. No one is denying freedom of religion, speech, expression or any other right. The Constitution does not govern the location of an occupancy within a city borders. In as much the City allows such occupancy within this business zone, there is no prohibition against city residents expressing opposition to the occupancy and it's location. It happens all of the time. If some wants to open a strip club in a certain building, neither the planning board nor the owner are obligated to announce the intended occupancy in advance of construction. Public opposition to occupancy all kinds of occupancies occurs all of the time and frequently the owner will change the plan and go elsewhere.

    Where I live, we have religious organizations wanting to build churches and facilities all of the time. We don't want anymore than what is needed to support the needs of the existing residents. We don't want more traffic. We don't want more acreage of parking lots and night time lighting. We have a planning board that denies the occupancy permits. They've also denied shopping centers, and offices. They've been sued by developers of all kinds and have successfully defended those decisions each time. There is no right for anyone to construct any occupancy they want, at any site they want to build on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RYou View Post
    Bloomberg is no fool. NYC is the No. 1 terrorist target in the world.
    I think most of Isreal would disagree...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RYou View Post
    Mayor BLOOMBERG: I think that a lot of it has become politicized. The whole issue of the Islamic center, which was proposed a while ago and nobody seemed to have any problems with it, .....

    It was approved by the NYC planning board unbeknownist to anyone. Initially, the opposition arose after the occupancy was made public and the initial objections were from the WTC survivors and the surviving families. They brought the decision to allow the occupancy to the news media to get it some visibility and garner opposition from the community. The nimrod politcos latch on well after the fact and you'll note they were the first to disappear.
    This is of course not true. But then I do not expect you as a right winger to care about the truth, only the left cares about that. First, the Community Center meets all zoning requirements as Mayor Bloomberg points out therefore there is no valid reason for denying the request to build there so the planning board had no choice. Secondly there was no opposition until known islamaphobes and right wing activist Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer made it an issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by RYou View Post
    Mayor BLOOMBERG:And if the government starts expressing a view of concern or relief, that's just the government trying to influence a decision which it should not......

    The Governor of NY got involved and offered to swap properties. Other local politicians worked from within the system , not through the news media to gain a relocation of the occupancy.

    Bloomberg is no fool. NYC is the No. 1 terrorist target in the world. NYC can't afford another incident the magnitude of the WTC attack. He's got enough trouble holding corporate offices within the city and not relocating to less costly properties elsewhere. There are more terror cells in and around the city than you can imagine. Why would he want to rile a hornets nest with his house? Another attack would be devastating to the NYC business and the NYC sphere of influence.
    This of course is totally off point and has nothing whatsoever to do with the point that Bloomberg is making. The point being it is not the place of a government official to be upset if the Community Center is built or relieved if it is not. A government officials place is to administer the laws and allowing the Community Center to be built is doing so.

    Quote Originally Posted by RYou View Post
    Mayor BLOOMBERG: ......... And that's why things like defending the Constitution are so important, particularly when it's so close to the World Trade Center.

    There is nothing Constitutional about the issue. No one is denying freedom of religion, speech, expression or any other right. The Constitution does not govern the location of an occupancy within a city borders. In as much the City allows such occupancy within this business zone, there is no prohibition against city residents expressing opposition to the occupancy and it's location. It happens all of the time. If some wants to open a strip club in a certain building, neither the planning board nor the owner are obligated to announce the intended occupancy in advance of construction. Public opposition to occupancy all kinds of occupancies occurs all of the time and frequently the owner will change the plan and go elsewhere.

    Where I live, we have religious organizations wanting to build churches and facilities all of the time. We don't want anymore than what is needed to support the needs of the existing residents. We don't want more traffic. We don't want more acreage of parking lots and night time lighting. We have a planning board that denies the occupancy permits. They've also denied shopping centers, and offices. They've been sued by developers of all kinds and have successfully defended those decisions each time. There is no right for anyone to construct any occupancy they want, at any site they want to build on.
    This particular issue is only a constitutional issue. The Community Center meets all zoning requirements for this location and is actually a better use than many in the area. Why then could you find reason to deny it. The answer is constitutionally you cannot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FloggingSully View Post
    I think most of Isreal would disagree...
    I think France and England, both of which have seen many more terrorist attacks than NYC would disagree as well flog.

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