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    Quote Originally Posted by r.payton@att.net View Post
    EVERY SINGLE book I've read by Hawking has leaned PRO-GOD(much as Einstein ) and every single book I've read by Hawking has put me to sleep-the material he works with is understandable by 1/2 dozen humans on the planet ....
    I would agree, but both Einstein and Hawking view God in a very very different way than most traditional religion. They view the Universe as God and God as the Universe, one and the same, much like I do.

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    I once read where Einstein came close to a nervous breakdown after he said ''God does NOT play dice'' then his theory seemingly proved that HE did indeed play dice .
    Any validity to that ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by r.payton@att.net View Post
    I once read where Einstein came close to a nervous breakdown after he said ''God does NOT play dice'' then his theory seemingly proved that HE did indeed play dice .
    Any validity to that ??
    The quote was part of his argument against the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle which is the basis for quantum mechanics. This was not Eistein's theory but was developed by Werner Heisenberg who would later be the scientist in charge of trying to make a Nazi A-Bomb.

    The uncertainty principle states that you cannot positively know where particles are at a specific time you can only calculate the odds of their being in a cetain place. This lead to the "playing dice with the universe" comment.
    Einstien wrote a paper that argued against the Uncertainty Principle by digging into the theory and finding out that if you followed through with the assumptions, seperate particles could have an effect on each other instantaneously, no matter how far apart they are. Since this made absoluetly no sense, he concluded that there must be flaws in theory.
    Experimental physics has subsequently proved that this does happen and it is known as quantum entanglement and Heisenberg's theory is the base of quantum physics.

    DISCLAIMER: I am not a physicist and have only a laymen's understanding of the above.

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    Did you hear about when Heisenberg was stopped by a traffic cop? The cop asked him, "Do you know how fast you were going?" and Heisenberg replied, "No, but I know where I am."
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    Quote Originally Posted by r.payton@att.net View Post
    I once read where Einstein came close to a nervous breakdown after he said ''God does NOT play dice'' then his theory seemingly proved that HE did indeed play dice .
    Any validity to that ??
    Actually I do not believe Einstein ever believed for a second any theory he developed showed that God/the Universe, played dice at all.

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    I read the original A Brief History of Time and that which I could understand I found fascinating. I will probably read this book too.

    I try to avoid drawing conclusions based upon news snippets. I'm wondering if Hawking's book excludes the possibility of God or rather excludes the necessity of God?

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    Quote Originally Posted by arm-spin View Post
    From that review I don't quite understand what Hawkings is getting at. How is spontaneous creation supposed to work? How does the law of gravity prove- or disprove- anything about religion?
    It's unclear to me also. The quote without context seems to be an argument by definition. In that, Hawking is claimed to conclude that since the law of gravity existed before the universe was created God therefore does not exist.

    I agree with Spider, we will need to read the book and try to discern it for ourselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vaisforlovers View Post
    that he reads aloud.
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