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    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    I did get the analogy. My point was that people would protest and disallow the KKK to build a worship center there. I agree that they don't represent Christians, but the fact is, the public outcry would be outrageous.
    According to my analogy, it would be normal Muslims building a worship center, not terrorists, who would be analagous to the KKK.

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    The part about Americans being hypersensitive is hilarious coming from you. Aren't you the one who thought it was okay to suspend American students in an American school for wearing an American flag shirt? That is hypersensitive.
    What I said was that if they were wearing the t-shirts with the purpose of antagonizing students who were celebrating Cinqo de Mayo, it shouldn't have been permitted. Similarly if the mosque is being built in that location with the intention of making a statement in support of the 911 bombings (which I don't believe), then I would be against it. In both cases, I am in support of people's rights to do what they please, but I do not support actions which are intended to cause conflict or ill feelings. Often, people overreact to the well meaning actions of others when they are incorrectly perceived to be inflammatory in intent, and this is the hypersensitivity to which I refer.
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    There is an interesting op/ed in today's Wall Street Journal describing the media's mischaracterizations of "moderate" Muslims who later turned out to be not moderate at all. One of the "moderates" beheaded his wife, and then claimed spousal abuse. There were other examples as well.

    I've been trying to avoid posting on this topic, because I can't think of a funny or cute way to say it, but I strongly believe the "moderate" Muslim is a small subset of the overall Muslim population. I'm not questioning whether it's legal to build there, but it strikes me as completely tone-deaf on the part of the Muslims proposing the center. Pick another spot and show a little consideration. It's freaking New York City, I'm sure there are other suitable options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FloggingSully View Post
    I think it's pretty clear that you have a complete and utter lack of understanding of Spider's analogy.

    Spider's point was that to say that to assume that terrorists represent all Muslims is as asinine as saying the KKK represents all christians. Being against building a mosque because terrorists commited atrosities makes as much sense as being against christian churches because the KKK did bad stuff.

    I've read and responded to RYou's post, there is nothing in there that suggests that the Iman in charge of the project harbors any ill-will or wishes any harm on the US. He's publically spoken out against the 9-11 attacks calling them un-islamic and is married to an advisor to the 9-11 memorial committee.
    Again, maybe I am not clear. This particular group is just like the KKK. They do represent what is bad of islam. This is a group that supports Hamas. So, as no one would support the KKK, I don't think anyone should support this.

    How hard would it be to just build elsewhere? And why is it that some people are allowed to be offended, but others are not? People are obviously offended by this, and some of you find it hard to believe. What is the difference? Is it because it is white America, just America, I don't get it. Ban has said several times that you should never tell someone what to be offended by. Others supported this idea. So why in the world are you all against people being offended in this instance? It sounds hypocritical to me. Would you all support a gay bar being built right next to the mosque called "You Mecca Me Hot"? I'll guarantee you that the muslims wouldn't.

    That being said, who do you think is going to bid on that job? Would you bid on it if you owned a construction company? Would you feel safe putting your family in such a controversial position? This is just a ploy to try and show how stupid Americans are. I wouldn't be suprised if it was funded by Bin Laden himself who has already proven that he knows how to beat our current system. He has single handedly changed our airport security and our thoughts on war. Don't underestimate this man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M Richardson View Post
    They have the right to build their religious meeting place anywhere the zoning allows. That said, I think it showed a lack of political sensitivity to build it in this locale. Certainly there are other properties that would not have raised the hackles quite so predictably.
    This.

    I don't think the government should prevent people of any faith from building a worship center.

    However, I wonder what the mindset is of those who are building/owning the mosque. One has to assume they are not idiots, and could reasonably predict that this would be a controversial move. Is their attitude one of reconciliation/prostelyzing? (As in "if we build here, people will come and see how normal/good/friendly/Godly/ect Islam is") Or is their building near ground zero a giant "up yours" to those who don't approve of Islam? I don't know enough of the situation to even guess.

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    From what I understand (I haven't been following the issue closely, because I really don't care) the people constructing the facility are claiming that its an inclusive act and would look for reconciliation. Those that oppose it claim that the builders are lying and that they're building it as a "victory monument" or something another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    And why is it that some people are allowed to be offended, but others are not? People are obviously offended by this, and some of you find it hard to believe.
    Of course people are allowed to be offended, and I don't think anyone is finds it hard to believe that people are offended by this. My problem is that I believe many people are offended because they have been mislead, as evidenced by quotes like the following:

    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    This particular group is just like the KKK. They do represent what is bad of islam. This is a group that supports Hamas. So, as no one would support the KKK, I don't think anyone should support this.
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    This is a long article so don't get into it if you're in a hurry. It does explain what I was saying about this imam, though.

    http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-gro...adical-dreams/

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    Quote Originally Posted by FloggingSully View Post
    Of course people are allowed to be offended, and I don't think anyone is finds it hard to believe that people are offended by this. My problem is that I believe many people are offended because they have been mislead, as evidenced by quotes like the following:
    Agreed flog, misleading quotes like these that are basically coming from extreme right wing talking heads like Hannity are what is fueling this when it should really not be an issue at all.
    Originally Posted by quinn14
    This particular group is just like the KKK. They do represent what is bad of islam. This is a group that supports Hamas. So, as no one would support the KKK, I don't think anyone should support this.

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    Quinn, I got through the first 2 pages of the article, it's the same stuff Ryou posted earlier, basically he's been to meetings/conferences which were also attended by more radical Muslim leaders therefor he has the same veiws as the more radical Muslims.

    If this guy was such a radical why isn't anyone pointing out passages from his books (other than the one on page 2 of your article where he says he's a fan of the US constitution) or from speeches he's made? It seems that the only 'evidence' that he's a radical is that "he once spoke to so-and-so, and so-and-so said x, y and z".
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