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    FWIW, this was the issue that had me at 13 question religion, then god, eventually becoming an athiest, and now raising another athiest. But that is just me.
    Like you, I had questions about the existance of God. It wasn't until researching and talking to other people that I became convinced. The Big Bang theory is what solidified my belief. It seems less logical, to me, to believe that this world was the result of some cosmic accident. I started thinking about how everything in this world acts and reacts to one another to keep our existance. Like all the organs in our body, how we breath out what trees breath in, the food chain in the animal kingdom, ect. I just couldn't believe that it was all by accident.

    But, like I said, I don't try to push it on people because I've found that that is what usually pushes people away. My father-in-law did that to me this weekend at our family reunion. My brother-in-law and I were sitting on the porch of our cabin drinking beer. Not loud and not drunk, just drinking. He let it be known that we were embarrassing him and we wouldn't make it to heaven that way. We calmly reminded him that he wasn't the judge of who got in. It just makes me wonder how many people choose not to believe because of people like that.

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    I rely and use science in my daily life, but I also consider myself a Christian. Yes, I practice the faith as much as possible, do not delude myself to think that every bit of gospel is correct (in fact, few Christians do), but find that the best deeds in our world come from Christian churches and organizations. It is largely why I practice the faith: to help those in need.

    As for the faith part of things, I'm not so sure that faith is only something within the realm of religion only. My brother in law (the same goof who gets the wide eyes when telling some asinine belief of his) seems to think that religion is all faith, while science is not. I find that curious, because as a scientist, I thank God for faith everyday! I have faith that my methods are correct. I have faith that I am actually measuring what I think I'm measuring (validity). We have faith that the Big Bang theory is correct. We have faith that outer space is infinite. I have faith that the peer review process is working properly.

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    Is it that you dont believe the Bible to be completely true or that you dont believe the accepted interpretation of the bible to be true?

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    Wow, I love this board. There are some great comments on this thread!

    Clearly I won't try to answer for BB directly, but I want to point out that "believing the Bible is completely true" means different things to different people. The Scriptures contain historical accounts, poetic statements and metaphorical statements and it isn't always easy to tell them apart. For example, in the New Testament, heaven is described as a golden city where people feast, while hell is described as a lake of fire shrouded in darkness. Are these literal descriptions of what the afterlife is like? I lean towards thinking they are pictures conveying important truths (choose to be with God forever, not without and so on) but others will disagree.

    Theologians don't all agree on weather the beginning of Genesis, which contains the Noah story is supposed to be a literal description of what happened, or a poetic/metaphorical doccument conveying important truths. (This is not a new conflict- St. Augustine believed that the creation story should be interpreted as a metaphor long before anyone had heard of Darwin or the Big Bang.) Therefore, some Biblical scholars see science and religion being in conflict with regards to the early days of Earth, while others do not.

    http://www.asa3.org/aSA/PSCF/1988/PSCF3-88Young.html Augustine on Genesis. Fascinating.

    Apologize for being long winded... in conclusion, "believing the Bible is true" means different things to different people.
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    This has indeed been a very good discussion. It has gotten way way off the original topic but it is a very good and balanced discussion. The idea of the known world flooding is really the only reasonable explaination, as I have already noted, it is now and has always be completely impossible for the entire Earth to have flooded during mans habitation of it. I believe as arm spin suggest that an awful lot of the stories in the Bible are morality tales much as Aesop's fables are. I would not take the story of the ant and the grasshopper literally but I can learn a lot from it, nor would I take the adam and eve story seriously but I can learn an awful lot from it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coachsparky View Post
    This has indeed been a very good discussion. It has gotten way way off the original topic but it is a very good and balanced discussion. The idea of the known world flooding is really the only reasonable explaination, as I have already noted, it is now and has always be completely impossible for the entire Earth to have flooded during mans habitation of it. I believe as arm spin suggest that an awful lot of the stories in the Bible are morality tales much as Aesop's fables are. I would not take the story of the ant and the grasshopper literally but I can learn a lot from it, nor would I take the adam and eve story seriously but I can learn an awful lot from it.

    Perhaps the flood occurred during the time of Pangaea and thus spurred the separation of the continents. Just a thought, I didn't study it real well just throwing it out there.

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    Perhaps the flood occurred during the time of Pangaea and thus spurred the separation of the continents. Just a thought, I didn't study it real well just throwing it out there.
    Saying it happened about 4000 years ago is still saying you do not accept legitimate science. And this means all modern science since one field of science uses other fields of science to prove theories and so forth. In this case all of geology, and all the science used in geology (chemistry, physics, biology, hydrology, etc...).
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    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    Like you, I had questions about the existance of God. It wasn't until researching and talking to other people that I became convinced. The Big Bang theory is what solidified my belief. It seems less logical, to me, to believe that this world was the result of some cosmic accident. I started thinking about how everything in this world acts and reacts to one another to keep our existance. Like all the organs in our body, how we breath out what trees breath in, the food chain in the animal kingdom, ect. I just couldn't believe that it was all by accident.

    But, like I said, I don't try to push it on people because I've found that that is what usually pushes people away. My father-in-law did that to me this weekend at our family reunion. My brother-in-law and I were sitting on the porch of our cabin drinking beer. Not loud and not drunk, just drinking. He let it be known that we were embarrassing him and we wouldn't make it to heaven that way. We calmly reminded him that he wasn't the judge of who got in. It just makes me wonder how many people choose not to believe because of people like that.
    In my case it was the more conservative religious views on science that had me teach my kid away from religion. She wants a career in science (meterology). It is pretty hard to study a field, and get into a good collegiate program, if you are not learning legitimate science. It is hard to learn legitimate science if you think it is all bogus because it doesn't not match a religious book. So I figured what would be the point; it just muddys the waters for no good purpose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UGLY View Post
    Perhaps the flood occurred during the time of Pangaea and thus spurred the separation of the continents. Just a thought, I didn't study it real well just throwing it out there.
    At the time of Pangaea there were no humans. The super continent was torn assunder some 180 million years ago more the 179 million years before the first homosapiens.

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