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    There is not physically, and never has been enough water in the Earth system to have ever flooded the entire Earth. Now if you believe that it is an exaggeration of a localized flooding event that was written into the Bible then you might be right, but there never was a world wide flood, of that I am 100 percent positive beyond any possible doubt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coachsparky View Post
    Now if you believe that it is an exaggeration of a localized flooding event that was written into the Bible then you might be right . . .
    Exactly! I believe that many of the "miracles" described in the Bible are simply accounts of real events that were exaggerated and distorted as they were told from one generation to another, or misinterpreted by technologically naive observers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spider View Post
    Exactly! I believe that many of the "miracles" described in the Bible are simply accounts of real events that were exaggerated and distorted as they were told from one generation to another, or misinterpreted by technologically naive observers.

    Agreed

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    Exactly! I believe that many of the "miracles" described in the Bible are simply accounts of real events that were exaggerated and distorted as they were told from one generation to another, or misinterpreted by technologically naive observers.
    I was watching a pretty cool show on the Discovery how some of the miracles in the bible could have actually happened.

    In regards to the flood....i had a professor in college who talked about how many biblical scholars didn't believe that the whole world was actually flooded but the thought it was the "known" world to those in the area. He was a great teacher, studied in Israel with him and took part on an archeological dig there (pardon my spelling).

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    The "known world flooding" theory makes sense. A lot of ancient cultures had a flood story (Gilgamesh, etc) it seems reasonable to assume that something major did happen in regards to a flood.

    Chance, I think that trying to scientifically explain miracles is kind of missing the point... a miracle is a miracle (rather than a useful co-incidence) precisely because it can't be explained naturally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arm-spin View Post
    Chance, I think that trying to scientifically explain miracles is kind of missing the point... a miracle is a miracle (rather than a useful co-incidence) precisely because it can't be explained naturally.
    If one believes in miracles, there is no need to explain them naturally; but if one doesn't believe that miracles actually happen and that everything occurs natutrally, then such events can often be shown to have a scientific and not a spiritual basis. For example, a spontanous remission of a non-treatable cancer. Is it a miracle or is there some biochemical occurrence at work that hasn't been discovered? An infant survives a plane crash in which all the other passengers are killed. A miracle or the predictable result of trajectory, cushioning effects of surrounding materials, etc. etc.? You can look for scientific explanations or rely on faith.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    Whoever asked if I believe in Noah's Ark and the world flooding, my answer is yes. I don't have scientific proof and I don't think they've discovered the Ark in some mountains somewhere. It's exactly what Spider said, faith.
    Well you believe what you believe. I would have to guess you are not a big fan of legitmate science (a literal Noah event disputes pretty much all legitimate science). But if this kind of faith helps you get through life, and science stuff isn't a career you want for yourself, and probably your children - if you have any, then it is all good.

    FWIW, this was the issue that had me at 13 question religion, then god, eventually becoming an athiest, and now raising another athiest. But that is just me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arm-spin View Post
    The "known world flooding" theory makes sense. A lot of ancient cultures had a flood story (Gilgamesh, etc) it seems reasonable to assume that something major did happen in regards to a flood.

    Chance, I think that trying to scientifically explain miracles is kind of missing the point... a miracle is a miracle (rather than a useful co-incidence) precisely because it can't be explained naturally.
    Not to get too far off topic, but it is amazing that so many different cultures can have stories that are so similiar.

    I wasn't trying to debate the issue of miracles i just thought the show was pretty cool and it was fun to watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chance174 View Post
    I was watching a pretty cool show on the Discovery how some of the miracles in the bible could have actually happened.

    In regards to the flood....i had a professor in college who talked about how many biblical scholars didn't believe that the whole world was actually flooded but the thought it was the "known" world to those in the area. He was a great teacher, studied in Israel with him and took part on an archeological dig there (pardon my spelling).
    The flood that may have spawned the Noah story, and some others, may have happend a few thousand years earlier.....

    http://www.religioustolerance.org/ev_noah.htm
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