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    David Hume proposed that we have objects that are “ Matters of fact” These objects are proven through experience but even though we experience things one day it does not guarantee that we will have those experiences tomorrow. While he says this he would also say that all of our experience would be tied to cause and effect, through experience we would come to associate separate objects or actions with another objects or actions that either cause the previous or were caused by the previous. He would agree that after these experiences it is then rational to deduce other information from our experience.

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    If I dont exist then you are having an entire Internet conversation with yourself. So like I said you have absolutely no idea about evolution beyond what you believe. The reason you believe in it is because of the circumstances of your own experiences and the evidence you choose to believe. Just as if I tell you the sun rose here in Denver you could plausibly doubt it because you did not experience it. Now you know that there is a good chance that what I said is true but you could not prove it much like evolution in a sense.

    Even more to my point many people believe in God because of personal experiences they have that lead them to believe in God.

    So when you throw out terms like the real world the idea of the real world is subjective to each individual.
    The evidence that forces me to accept it, it is not a choice, is available to all to see, touch and experience and must be rejected out of hand even though everyone in the world can touch it. This evidence leads to the logical conclusion by those who do not reject it by force of will that evolution is a fact. Not a single piece of that evidence nor the logical conclusion that evolution too is a fact is in any way shape or form inconsistent with a persons ability to believe in God. I believe in God, but of course my concept of God differs considerably from the orthodox concept. Richard Lewontin who I quoted earlier believes in the same God that orthodox Christians believe in, the one that to a normal person appears to really be three gods but they claim to only be one by inventing the convoluted concept of the "trinity" and yet he says irrefutably that evolution is a fact. So the belief in a trinitarian God and the FACT of evolution is completely compatible for those who are willing to live in the "REAL" material world of Nature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UGLY View Post
    David Hume proposed that we have objects that are “ Matters of fact” These objects are proven through experience but even though we experience things one day it does not guarantee that we will have those experiences tomorrow. While he says this he would also say that all of our experience would be tied to cause and effect, through experience we would come to associate separate objects or actions with another objects or actions that either cause the previous or were caused by the previous. He would agree that after these experiences it is then rational to deduce other information from our experience.
    And Hume's thinking would be completely consistent with the FACT of evolution based upon our experience of fossilized records which are repeatable for all the world and every individual to see.

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    Again I would refer you to Plato's allegory of the cave.

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    Again I would refer you to Plato's allegory of the cave.
    Yes, those who refuse to see the truth of evolution would be like those viewing only the shadows and the scientist who accept the truth of evolution would be like the philosophers who were releases and see reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coachsparky View Post
    Yes, those who refuse to see the truth of evolution would be like those viewing only the shadows and the scientist who accept the truth of evolution would be like the philosophers who were releases and see reality.
    You keep saying the "TRUTH" of evolution yet you acknowledge that truth is different to different people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UGLY View Post
    You keep saying the "TRUTH" of evolution yet you acknowledge that truth is different to different people.
    No, I do not agree that objective truth is different for anyone. However there is a subjective truth for each and everyone of us. We can either accept the objective truth or reject it and accept your subjective truth. That is the only way the truth is different for different people, because they choose to reject the objective truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coachsparky View Post
    Did you read the things by eminent scientist smarter than you or I or probably anyone you know personally that tells you that evolution is both a fact and a theory and they are not mutually exclusive. Please Chance try to take some time read them and make yourself more knowledgable.
    I will never point out spelling errors because it could be someone in a hurry or just someone who doesn't know how to spell, yet still got their point across. You, Sparky, have come across on this thread like you know everything. So, I must point out that in your post above, you should have used the word "me" instead of "I". An easy way to remember that is to leave the other person out of the sentence and refer to yourself as you would if they weren't in it.

    Now, I realize that you are off solving the world's scientific problems, but when you make your speech to the United Nations you might not want to make grammatical errors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    I will never point out spelling errors because it could be someone in a hurry or just someone who doesn't know how to spell, yet still got their point across. You, Sparky, have come across on this thread like you know everything. So, I must point out that in your post above, you should have used the word "me" instead of "I". An easy way to remember that is to leave the other person out of the sentence and refer to yourself as you would if they weren't in it.

    Now, I realize that you are off solving the world's scientific problems, but when you make your speech to the United Nations you might not want to make grammatical errors.
    I wonder if my point got across regardless of whether there was a grammatical error and something tells me it irrefutably did. Nuff said. And oh by the way, I know there is no such word as nuff, but again, my point is made.;-) Oh and BTW, I challenge you to find the place where I claimed to be infallible. LOL

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