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    Why is it when a republican ask's why the government isn't doing something all the left can come up with is "i thought government only messes stuff up". Here is the thing for all you leftist, as conservatives we like "limited Goverment" or "Smaller Goverment", i don't think you can find someone that says there should be NO government at all. Government does serve a purpose and the president should be a leader.

    Here is the deal with Obama and this mess. Yes, there wasn't anything he could have done to stop this just like it wasn't Bush's fault. The bottom line though is that he isn't leading during this crisis and should be. His priorities are not where they should be and people are seeing this and getting angry.

  2. #38

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    Quinn,

    Read Chance's last post.

    However, if you care to place a $1,000 wager on it (I have paypal), I'd take a wild shot at it and bet you that I can provide evidence that people are blaming President Obama for his handling of the oil crisis.

    Sound good?
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  3. #39

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chance174 View Post
    Why is it when a republican ask's why the government isn't doing something all the left can come up with is "i thought government only messes stuff up". Here is the thing for all you leftist, as conservatives we like "limited Goverment" or "Smaller Goverment", i don't think you can find someone that says there should be NO government at all. Government does serve a purpose and the president should be a leader.

    Here is the deal with Obama and this mess. Yes, there wasn't anything he could have done to stop this just like it wasn't Bush's fault. The bottom line though is that he isn't leading during this crisis and should be. His priorities are not where they should be and people are seeing this and getting angry.
    I'm only going by what party bosses Sean McVeigh Hannity and Comedian Rush Koresh Limbaugh have been saying for the past 500 days. "Government screws everything up that it touches! It bankrupted social security, medicare, medicaid, and now they want to handle health care?!"

    Sound familiar? It does to me.
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  4. #40

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    Quote Originally Posted by ban basketball View Post
    I'm only going by what party bosses Sean McVeigh Hannity and Comedian Rush Koresh Limbaugh have been saying for the past 500 days. "Government screws everything up that it touches! It bankrupted social security, medicare, medicaid, and now they want to handle health care?!"

    Sound familiar? It does to me.
    Ban,

    2 things.

    1. Can you please explain why you are adding McVeigh and Koresh to Sean and Rush's name. I have a pretty good idea but would like for you to explain.

    2. The Government does screw up a lot of what it touches specifically around SS, Medicare, medicaid, and most likely health care. I don't think many people can defend the way politicians (both dems and republicans) have screwed up the handling of these services.


    In addition are you saying Obama is doing a good job in the way he is handling/leading our country during this crisis?

  5. #41

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    Quote Originally Posted by ban basketball View Post
    Quinn,

    Read Chance's last post.

    However, if you care to place a $1,000 wager on it (I have paypal), I'd take a wild shot at it and bet you that I can provide evidence that people are blaming President Obama for his handling of the oil crisis.

    Sound good?
    Why does it take a bet? You said earlier that you would send me some links that would shock me. You haven't. We all know Fox is blaming Obama for poor leadership and Carvill is too. You have shown no proof of anyone else. If you have it, show it. I would like to read it.

  6. #42

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chance174 View Post
    Ban,

    2 things.

    1. Can you please explain why you are adding McVeigh and Koresh to Sean and Rush's name. I have a pretty good idea but would like for you to explain.

    2. The Government does screw up a lot of what it touches specifically around SS, Medicare, medicaid, and most likely health care. I don't think many people can defend the way politicians (both dems and republicans) have screwed up the handling of these services.


    In addition are you saying Obama is doing a good job in the way he is handling/leading our country during this crisis?
    As for the first question, sure you know what I'm talking about; we all do.

    Question 2, I don't think that there's a lot of evidence to suggest that these programs have been screwed up. Are they costly? Sure, but we expected them to be. Are they effective? Yes. Social security accounts for 40% of seniors' income, and has cut elderly poverty rates in half since its inception. I have yet to hear an elderly person say that Medicare isn't effective. Medicaid has done what it was supposed to do: Provide medical assistance to the needy and the disabled, which my aunt and niece benefit from immensely because of disabilities.

    Question 3, What difference does it make? Let's find a way to stop the flow of oil, rather than sit and root for our politicians to fail in the process so that future elections can be won based on perceived "inadequacy."
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  7. #43

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    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    Why does it take a bet? You said earlier that you would send me some links that would shock me. You haven't. We all know Fox is blaming Obama for poor leadership and Carvill is too. You have shown no proof of anyone else. If you have it, show it. I would like to read it.
    Quinn,

    You keep insisting on something that I never said. I said nothing about providing links to you, I said (original post copied and pasted here) "If not, I'll provide you some sources that may give you a glimpse into something that will surprise you." This comes from post #6 in this thread; read it in its full context. As you can see, I have led you to sources where you can see people blaming President Obama for this. Links were never mentioned by me.

    Why the bet? You obviously don't think that anyone has blamed President Obama for this, as you've never heard of anyone doing it. I've always found that the quickest way to end a debate is to bet on who is right. I'm willing to bet, but you could beat me in this bet. Even so, I'll bet a grand on it.
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  8. #44

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    Quote Originally Posted by ban basketball View Post
    As for the first question, sure you know what I'm talking about; we all do.

    Question 2, I don't think that there's a lot of evidence to suggest that these programs have been screwed up. Are they costly? Sure, but we expected them to be. Are they effective? Yes. Social security accounts for 40% of seniors' income, and has cut elderly poverty rates in half since its inception. I have yet to hear an elderly person say that Medicare isn't effective. Medicaid has done what it was supposed to do: Provide medical assistance to the needy and the disabled, which my aunt and niece benefit from immensely because of disabilities.

    Question 3, What difference does it make? Let's find a way to stop the flow of oil, rather than sit and root for our politicians to fail in the process so that future elections can be won based on perceived "inadequacy."
    lol....this is funny so you are trying to compare Rush and Sean to Koresh and McVeigh. Can you please explain the similiarities? That is pathetic.

    #2.....So you think SSN and those other programs are run effectively?

    #3.....People want a leader, do you feel that Obama has been a good leader during this crisis? A leader must lead even when he/she cannot control something. The reason people are getting upset is because they want this to be fixed not because they are wanting Obama to fail.

  9. #45

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chance174 View Post
    lol....this is funny so you are trying to compare Rush and Sean to Koresh and McVeigh. Can you please explain the similiarities? That is pathetic.

    #2.....So you think SSN and those other programs are run effectively?

    #3.....People want a leader, do you feel that Obama has been a good leader during this crisis? A leader must lead even when he/she cannot control something. The reason people are getting upset is because they want this to be fixed not because they are wanting Obama to fail.
    Comedian/co-party boss Rush Koresh Limbaugh said on the day of the anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing that we should also honor Waco and what happened to the Branch Davidians. I'm sure it's on youtube (or Media Matters) for you to watch.

    Co-party boss Sean Mcveigh Hannity referred to his audience as "Tim McVeigh wannabes." The audience applauded that they were referred to in that way. That I KNOW is all over youtube.

    Is SSN run effectively. Well, yes and no. It has done what we wanted it to do (and then some), but too many hands have dipped into it, so, of course, it isn't run effectively in that way. The future of it is still a mystery though.

    Again, who cares? Let's solve the problem. My home was flooded almost exactly to the date two years ago. Yes, we could have sat back and cried and moaned and blamed people and our own selves for why and how this occurred. You know what made more sense in the immediate? Fix the problem that we were experiencing, which we did.
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