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    Well said, Cyclone.

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    Default Re: Nancy Pelosi Has Big Plans For Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    Well said, Cyclone.
    I agree, and I share Cyclone's concern about the cost, but I see other countries provide health care for all their citizens and think it's a good thing to do, and I see the abuses of the for-profit insurance companies. Obviously, Cyclone has studied the details more than I have.
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    While looking to some other countries socialized medicine might seem a quick & easy fix, the realities are sometimes different. I share a few examples. Having a health care system that is PAID for sounds great BUT just what are you then getting???

    More drugs & surgery??? MORE Disease management instead of cures??? Doctors who are NOT money motivated vs lower quality of care? More waiting time??? More difficult approval for things that could save your life but cost the government & taxpayers more money???

    I am having a difficult time because no insurance will pay for the treatments unless it is ONLY chemo & radiation. And no insurance will accpet me with a pre-existing condition except State insurance, (Medicaid). I have a HMO that took ONE MONTH to approve a PET CAT SCAN. Someone else could have died in that time. And then when they did approve it they sent me a bill for $2 out of the entire procedure. That $2 invoice probably cost them $5 to generate & send. How stupid is that???

    I went to the John Wayne Cancer Clinic in Santa Monica, CA in August. They do not even take CASH! NO CASH. INSURANCE ONLY. They said that if I was to pay cash that they would charge me $80,000 for 7 weeks of Chemo & Radiation! Wtf. I have a treatment here with a MD in Florida that could have me cancer free in 4 to 6 months. Cost? $2000 per month x time = $10 to $12,000. You would think that someone would be interested in that. BUT NO they aren't.

    There is a clinic in Mexico that has protocols that are 2x the NIH average in handling Stage IV cancer. It's $1000/day to go there. No insurance will pay even though it is CHEAPER & SAFER then Chemo & Radiation. the 1st step to good health? Remove the INSANITY.


    Canada's Fatal Error --- Health Care as a Right (Part I)

    There is something wrong with medicine in Canada today. This conclusion can and probably has been reached by any member of the profession who has paused from his or her daily endeavors to consider the current state of medicine in this country. Despite rather remarkable advances in the art and science of medicine patient care is deteriorating. The availability of medical services is diminishing and waiting lists are growing longer. Patients are often obliged to seek medical care in facilities far from home. The cost of health care in Canada has been spiraling upwards out of control, and predictions for the future portend the collapse of what was once an excellent health care system....

    Quotes < Canada Drug Talk

    “It is common knowledge that drug companies spend a lot on promotion… But even I didn’t realize that the figure was as high as we estimate it is.”
    Joel Lexchin is with the School of Health Policy and Management, York University, Toronto, Ontario, Canada.


    In a report entitled The Cost of Pushing Pills: A New Estimate of Pharmaceutical Promotion Expenditures in the United States published in the Public Library of Science Medicine, authors Marc-Andr? Gagnon and Joel Lexchin conclude:


    “From this new estimate, it appears that pharmaceutical companies spend almost twice as much on promotion as they do on R&D. These numbers clearly show how promotion predominates over R&D in the pharmaceutical industry, contrary to the industry’s claim. While the amount spent on promotion is not in itself a confirmation of Kefauver’s depiction of the pharmaceutical industry, it confirms the public image of a marketing-driven industry and provides an important argument to petition in favor of transforming the workings of the industry in the direction of more research and less promotion.”


    Editor’s Note:
    The Kefauver referred to in the conclusion is Estes Kefauver, a former Senator who accused the prescription drug industry of predatory pricing and excessive marketing in the 1950’s. He launched a public review of the industry through the Senate’s anti-trust and monopoly subcommittee.


    ? Canadian Premier Comes to U.S. For Health Care - Big Government

    Newfoundland Premier Danny Williams will undergo heart surgery later this week in the United States.


    Deputy premier Kathy Dunderdale confirmed the treatment at a news conference Tuesday, but would not reveal the location of the operation or how it would be paid for.


    “He has gone to a renowned expert in the procedure that he needs to have done,” said Ms. Dunderdale, who will become acting premier while Mr. Williams is away for three to 12 weeks.


    “In consultation with his own doctors, he’s decided to go that route.”
    Mr. Williams’ decision to leave Canada for the surgery has raised eyebrows over his apparent shunning of Canada’s health-care system.

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