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    Quote Originally Posted by FloggingSully View Post
    My first thought when reading this thread was that losing a major energy client would probably hurt Arizona's economy more than the lose of municiple contracts from a few cities?

    And if all the illegals moved to CA, how many of the companies that employ them would follow? Removing cheap labor from a workforce doesn't improve an economy (as all free-market proponents would tell you).
    This will hurt both states. One Cali is a giant but a giant that is very much wounded by her economic state, even more than AZ. It can also be argued that illegals moving to Cali will hurt the economy there as well. They will take jobs away from citizens who pay taxes thus increasing the people on public assistance and taking away tax revenue for the state that is already hurting. Not to mention the drain on the public hospitals and other services.

    In regards to AZ taking back the electric from talking with a buddy of mine that trades electricity AZ would be able to sell it and still make money.

    California is already hurting more than most states and it is stupid for them to try and get in a pissing match with other states and people that might come there to visit. What we really have here is city boards playing politics with their citizens lives and lives of other Americans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chance174 View Post
    This will hurt both states. One Cali is a giant but a giant that is very much wounded by her economic state, even more than AZ. It can also be argued that illegals moving to Cali will hurt the economy there as well.
    Illegals are already coming to California in droves. It's debateable whether it's hurting the economy. At the micro level, it is probably not. At the macro level, it probably is.

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    California is simply saying, as are most states, that they don't want to proactively ask people for papers just based on a "reasonable" suspicion. If that entails dismissing AZ's new law, then so be it.

    The reality of this is that law enforcement are not going to participate any differently than they have before. They aren't exactly huge fans of big gov't. They know how to do their job and that is what they'll do-no more, no less.

    What AZ has single-handedly done is forever lose the vote of the fastest growing demographic in the country. Bad move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by washed up wrestler View Post
    California is simply saying, as are most states, that they don't want to proactively ask people for papers just based on a "reasonable" suspicion. If that entails dismissing AZ's new law, then so be it.

    The reality of this is that law enforcement are not going to participate any differently than they have before. They aren't exactly huge fans of big gov't. They know how to do their job and that is what they'll do-no more, no less.

    What AZ has single-handedly done is forever lose the vote of the fastest growing demographic in the country. Bad move.
    AZ is simply saying like with every other cop interaction that if a cop has a reasonable suspiciaon that you broke a law they can now investigate. There are a lot of liberal states/cities saying they don't like the law but by boycotting they are not simply saying they are trying to influence another state. Not to mention they are not listening to those that put them in office when the the majority of this country is in favor of the bill.

    And how do you know law enforcement aren't going to participate any different?

    You are right AZ has lost a portion of the hispanic american vote because they are being told lies about this bill from democratic and media leaders (which they primarily vote). It is sad that so many of the people speaking out agaist the bill either don't know what is really included or have never even read the bill.
    Last edited by Chance174; 05-20-2010 at 01:47 PM. Reason: added text.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chance174 View Post
    Not to mention they are not listening to those that put them in office when the the majority of this country is in favor of the bill.
    The majority of the country doesn't put local politicians in office.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chance174 View Post
    AZ is simply saying like with every other cop interaction that if a cop has a reasonable suspiciaon that you broke a law they can now investigate. There are a lot of liberal states/cities saying they don't like the law but by boycotting they are not simply saying they are trying to influence another state. Not to mention they are not listening to those that put them in office when the the majority of this country is in favor of the bill.

    And how do you know law enforcement aren't going to participate any different?

    You are right AZ has lost a portion of the hispanic american vote because they are being told lies about this bill from democratic and media leaders (which they primarily vote). It is sad that so many of the people speaking out agaist the bill either don't know what is really included or have never even read the bill.
    This same sort of issue and controversey happened in California around 1990. Shortly thereafter a long time mostly Republican state became a solid blue state which it remains today. History may repeat itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FloggingSully View Post
    The majority of the country doesn't put local politicians in office.
    very true.....i will have to find where i read it, but in one of these cities there was a 2-1 in favor of the AZ law but the council voted in 7-0 to boycott. I wish i would have saved that article.....i will try to find it. I admit i was half asleep after a 10 hour flight when i read it

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgallan View Post
    This same sort of issue and controversey happened in California around 1990. Shortly thereafter a long time mostly Republican state became a solid blue state which it remains today. History may repeat itself.
    I don't remember what happened in Cali in 1990, what happened there? It very well maybe that AZ and other states may go blue, but it won't be because of the actual bill but the lies and spin people are putting on the bill.

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