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    "Man in his own very basic form is a solitary being."
    "the man prefers to be left alone in a small group"

    Which is it? Solitary or a small group?

    Man evolved in societies.

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    Default Re: Jean-Jaques Rousseau, finally a man that thinks like me!

    I don't think he failed since his main aim was to get people to think and not to change the world. He is in the books that we read. Hence, he succeeded. Steve, America is a few hundred years old. A drop in the ocean in the overall picture. Who knows how it will turn out in the future?

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    Default Re: Jean-Jaques Rousseau, finally a man that thinks like me!

    Rousseau meant solitary by stating men preferred to live in small groups.

    In any case, I am not interested so much in understanding how early men lived. Nobody knows for sure Steve. Not even you. I am more interested in Roussaeu’s ideas and regrets about modern societies.

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    "I don't think he failed since his main aim was to get people to think and not to change the world"

    That might be our (your's and mine) aim, but we don't know what his aim was.

    "Hence, he succeeded."

    Perhaps. After a fashion.

    I appreciate the discussion. Big thanks to you Big.

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    The R man was a Romantic, "Man is born free yet everywhere is in chains" this is news to poor people the world over. As a matter of fact it's absurd. He was also the originator of the idea of the "noble savage" (Tarzan and Mowgli were the embodiement of this philosophy) that man is truly man, human, when free of societies constraints. This is little more than a argument for rationalized misbehavior. Man free of constraints soon becomes a slave to his vices, we see this all around us, in the case of R his beliefs has real world consequences, he abandoned his children to certain death. Better that then be constrained by middle class sensibilities I guess, right Big?

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    It seems Rosseau is best known for his conception of the social contract.

    From wikipedia:
    According to Rousseau, by joining together through the social contract and abandoning their claims of natural right, individuals can both preserve themselves and remain free. This is because submission to the authority of the general will of the people as a whole guarantees individuals against being subordinated to the wills of others and also ensures that they obey themselves because they are, collectively, the authors of the law.

    Whether you agree with him in part or whole, or not at all, he's one of the giants of political philosophy.

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    When I read the title...I thought this thread would be about food...

    Perhaps you can appreciate this association Big and perhaps share a deeper insight with us. Only $30! http://www.rousseauassociation.org/

    And this isn't a dig at you, I just think you could find more accurate and reliable info in this group. I don't completely trust the wiki.
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    Default Re: Jean-Jaques Rousseau, finally a man that thinks like me!

    Quote Originally Posted by The Big Stiffy View Post
    When I read the title...I thought this thread would be about food...

    Perhaps you can appreciate this association Big and perhaps share a deeper insight with us. Only $30! http://www.rousseauassociation.org/

    And this isn't a dig at you, I just think you could find more accurate and reliable info in this group. I don't completely trust the wiki.
    and yet, that site offers biography of Rousseau from Wiki:


    http://www.rousseauassociation.org/a...au/default.htm

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    HAHAHA. Touche. Perhaps they may give it that expert review then?
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