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  1. #37

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    Quote Originally Posted by UGLY View Post
    Much to Ban basketballs dismay this terrorist was from Pakistan, shock. Another attempt from the middle east.
    Why did you say that? What have I said so offensive as of late that warrants you to say that? Are you really that mired in hatred?
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  2. #38

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    There have been three rulings in just the past few years regarding terrorist rights.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5316401/

    http://www.techimo.com/forum/debatei...ve-rights.html
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  3. #39

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    Quote Originally Posted by FloggingSully View Post
    And from this statement you got that I didn't know which citizens the consitution was talking about?
    Maybe I'm missing something. Your first statement questioned which "citizens" they were talking about. It sounded, to me, like you thought that when the constitution referred to "citizens" that you DIDN'T think that it was referring to "American citizens". So, if that is not the case, I can only assume that you know the rights of citizens that our constitution speaks of does not apply to illegal citizens.

  4. #40

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    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    Maybe I'm missing something. Your first statement questioned which "citizens" they were talking about. It sounded, to me, like you thought that when the constitution referred to "citizens" that you DIDN'T think that it was referring to "American citizens". So, if that is not the case, I can only assume that you know the rights of citizens that our constitution speaks of does not apply to illegal citizens.
    When I said rights apply to US citizens I thought it was pretty clear that by 'US' I ment 'American'.

    What I have been saying over and over again (and I don't know why I keep saying it since it seems to just fly over certain people's heads) is that the consitution states that certain rights (e.g. voting) are speficially for citizens of the United States, while other rights (e.g. not having to quarter soldiers) apply to everyone, so statements along the lines of "The Constitution only applies to US citizens" are false.
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  5. #41

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    Quote Originally Posted by FloggingSully View Post
    When I said rights apply to US citizens I thought it was pretty clear that by 'US' I ment 'American'.

    What I have been saying over and over again (and I don't know why I keep saying it since it seems to just fly over certain people's heads) is that the consitution states that certain rights (e.g. voting) are speficially for citizens of the United States, while other rights (e.g. not having to quarter soldiers) apply to everyone, so statements along the lines of "The Constitution only applies to US citizens" are false.
    I guess it is flying over my head because I thought we were talking about whether or not foreign terrorists should be given the same rights in a trial as US citizens. My bad.

  6. #42

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    From Sully: When I said rights apply to US citizens I thought it was pretty clear that by 'US' I ment 'American'.

    I'm sorry, sometimes while at work I read too quickly. Please show me where you said the above statement. Everything I have read was you asking why I thought it only applied to US citizens. Everything read like you thought foreign terrorists should get the same rights as US citizens. But, by your last couple posts, it seems that you agree with me, that the US constitution is for US citizens only.

  7. #43

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    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    From Sully: When I said rights apply to US citizens I thought it was pretty clear that by 'US' I ment 'American'.

    I'm sorry, sometimes while at work I read too quickly. Please show me where you said the above statement.
    I must be missing something, I stated that the US constitution does not apply exclusively to US citizens (you quoted that statement of mine so I'm not sure why you'd want me to show you where it's from), you seemed to think that I was asking 'which citizens', I clarified that by 'US citizens' I ment 'American citizens' (again, you quoted me so I'm not sure why you'd want me to show you where I said it).
    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    Everything I have read was you asking why I thought it only applied to US citizens. Everything read like you thought foreign terrorists should get the same rights as US citizens. But, by your last couple posts, it seems that you agree with me, that the US constitution is for US citizens only.
    ug, I don't know how many more ways I can explain it:
    Quote Originally Posted by FloggingSully View Post
    From your link:

    Q: Does the US Constitution apply only to citizens?

    A: No, the rights of both citizens and non-citizens are protected by the US Constitution. However, there are some right specifically reserved for citizens, such as the right to a Federal job and to vote.


    In actuality, the Constitution doesn't apply to "citizens," nor does it even apply to "people." It applies to the government. It tells the government what it can and can't do (the body tells the government what it can do, and the Bill of Rights tells it what it can't do).


    Immigration rules are administrative ones, and are mandated by Congress, not the courts.
    Quote Originally Posted by FloggingSully View Post
    I have not said, nor do I believe (and I don't think I implied) that everyone is a citizen. What I have said is that the rights guaranteed in the consitution apply to everyone the US governs except in cases where it is specifically stated that the right only applies to citizens (for example, the 14th ammendment states that you must be a citizen to vote, therefor only citizens have the right to vote. The 3rd ammendment states that nobody can be forced to quarter soldiers in peacetime, it does not say that only citizens don't have to quarter soldiers, therefor the right to not have to quarter soldiers applies to everyone, citizen or not).
    Quote Originally Posted by FloggingSully View Post
    What I have been saying over and over again (and I don't know why I keep saying it since it seems to just fly over certain people's heads) is that the consitution states that certain rights (e.g. voting) are speficially for citizens of the United States, while other rights (e.g. not having to quarter soldiers) apply to everyone, so statements along the lines of "The Constitution only applies to US citizens" are false.
    The rights guranteed in the constitution (with some exceptions) are not guaranteed to US citizens only, these rights apply to everyone governed by the US.
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  8. #44

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    I think I see what you are saying, but I also disagree. The constitution will protect people who aren't citizens from harm, but they can't just come here and commit crimes and then expect our constitution to protect them. That is where we differ.

  9. #45

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    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    The constitution will protect people who aren't citizens from harm, but they can't just come here and commit crimes and then expect our constitution to protect them. That is where we differ.
    Which constitutional protection should non-citizens not expect to get?
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