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    Because you seem to know a quite a bit about our welfare system, are there requirements now in place that require welfare recipients (traditional cash assistance welfare, not the kind that I and the wealthy classes get for sitting on our butts) to either be working or be enrolled in school while receiving assistance?

    If so, that would seem to nulllify your depiction of them just sitting around smoking and drinking (which happens all of the time at country clubs, by the way).
    At least where I live, you don't have to be in school and working cuts you off of the benefits which is why they don't get jobs. If they would change it around to actually being assistance for people who are working instead of a lifestyle, then I would be okay with it.

    Last year I got laid off from my job. I signed up for the unemployment benefits and was okayed. I then signed back up for school to finish my degree about a month later. That is when I received a call saying that since I am now in school, I am no longer eligible for unemployment. The 8-10 other guys that got laid off with me (that I still keep in touch with) are all sitting on their couches doing nothing and getting extension after extension. So, it seems that in both cases they are rewarding laziness.

    As far as you getting paid for sitting on your butt in a country club, I'm happy for you. You probably worked hard to get a job that allows you to do that. It's called the American dream and I am happy for anyone who can live it. As long as they don't demand that other people's taxes pay for it.

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    The rich pay as few taxes as they possibly can and that is called American Greed.

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    At least where I live, you don't have to be in school and working cuts you off of the benefits which is why they don't get jobs. If they would change it around to actually being assistance for people who are working instead of a lifestyle, then I would be okay with it.

    Last year I got laid off from my job. I signed up for the unemployment benefits and was okayed. I then signed back up for school to finish my degree about a month later. That is when I received a call saying that since I am now in school, I am no longer eligible for unemployment. The 8-10 other guys that got laid off with me (that I still keep in touch with) are all sitting on their couches doing nothing and getting extension after extension. So, it seems that in both cases they are rewarding laziness.

    As far as you getting paid for sitting on your butt in a country club, I'm happy for you. You probably worked hard to get a job that allows you to do that. It's called the American dream and I am happy for anyone who can live it. As long as they don't demand that other people's taxes pay for it.
    You're referring to unemployment, which is not what I was referring to (TANF, or the traditional cash assistance welfare that we think of). TANF requires by Federal law that recipients must be either working or in school to receive benefits. Yes, that would include your state also.

    I also belong to no country club, but I fail to see where inheritance translates into "working hard," when 2/3rds of the wealth in this country is passed on through inheritance. Rather, I get to sit on my butt from other kinds of welfare that I get as a middle class person. As I always say, there isn't a bigger welfare daddy out there than myself! The entire welfare system is rigged for folks like me!
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    The rich pay as few taxes as they possibly can and that is called American Greed.

    Yet they still pay more than 70% of all icome tax and the top 5% pay more than the bottom 50%, so get over it, they pay a lot of taxes, more than the majority of Americans.

    Either way this has nothing to do with the thread. The bottom line is Mexico needs to fix itself and we need to help ourselves out by limiting illegal immigration, period. Arizona is just trying to do what the fed should have been doing all along.

    I read today that it used to be that you could up to ten years behind bars if you entered that country illegally, yet the president of Mexico thinks we are being to harsh. America is apparently the only country in the world that has no right to say who can come in and try to keep out those who come in illegally. I think Iran has been shown more sympathy and they are holding hikers prisoner for this exact reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ban basketball View Post
    You're referring to unemployment, which is not what I was referring to (TANF, or the traditional cash assistance welfare that we think of). TANF requires by Federal law that recipients must be either working or in school to receive benefits. Yes, that would include your state also.

    I also belong to no country club, but I fail to see where inheritance translates into "working hard," when 2/3rds of the wealth in this country is passed on through inheritance. Rather, I get to sit on my butt from other kinds of welfare that I get as a middle class person. As I always say, there isn't a bigger welfare daddy out there than myself! The entire welfare system is rigged for folks like me!
    When I was a kid and I had a single mother after my dad left she could not get food stamps or welfare because she had three jobs making around 15K a year, we barely made it, trying to pay rent and food daycare. She worked part time at the post office, night shift at 7-11 and waited tables. She told me when I was older we would have been better off if she had not of worked. My father didnt pay child support and she was told by the court that if she did not work she would become more of a priority, but since she did she would have to wait, they never got around to collecting any support and my dad owes nearly 150,000 in back child support.

    So it did I dont know if it does, reward people to not work if they want state assistance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ban basketball View Post
    You're referring to unemployment, which is not what I was referring to (TANF, or the traditional cash assistance welfare that we think of). TANF requires by Federal law that recipients must be either working or in school to receive benefits. Yes, that would include your state also.

    I also belong to no country club, but I fail to see where inheritance translates into "working hard," when 2/3rds of the wealth in this country is passed on through inheritance. Rather, I get to sit on my butt from other kinds of welfare that I get as a middle class person. As I always say, there isn't a bigger welfare daddy out there than myself! The entire welfare system is rigged for folks like me!
    I was referring to unemployment in MY case. The first part was referring to welfare checks. If you get a job, they cut those checks out. It keeps you dependant on welfare. It is just the government's way of modern day slavery. The fact that you can't see that is amazing. Go back a few pages and look at the link I put on about the dude who moved to Mexico. He lives with them and realizes that America is rewarding laziness so don't blame Mexico when they come here to get free everything.

    And if you were wealthy, I would hope you would pass it on to your kids, too. The fact that the kids are smart enough not to lose that inheritence like most lotto winners says, to me, that they must be pretty good businessmen themselves.

    This hatred of the rich is silly. Just replace the word rich with black or mexican or muslim. Would the president sound fair when he says he should tax the rich (blacks) more? It is all just jealousy and people need to get over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    I was referring to unemployment in MY case. The first part was referring to welfare checks. If you get a job, they cut those checks out. It keeps you dependant on welfare. It is just the government's way of modern day slavery. The fact that you can't see that is amazing. Go back a few pages and look at the link I put on about the dude who moved to Mexico. He lives with them and realizes that America is rewarding laziness so don't blame Mexico when they come here to get free everything.

    And if you were wealthy, I would hope you would pass it on to your kids, too. The fact that the kids are smart enough not to lose that inheritence like most lotto winners says, to me, that they must be pretty good businessmen themselves.

    This hatred of the rich is silly. Just replace the word rich with black or mexican or muslim. Would the president sound fair when he says he should tax the rich (blacks) more? It is all just jealousy and people need to get over it.
    Ok, now the next question...

    ...We've already established that recipients of welfare (except folks like me and the wealthy, who can receive welfare for as long as long as politicians continue to keep writing laws in our favor) have to be either (1) working or (2) in school to receive welfare today (for the record: it's been that way since 1997).

    Based on what you wrote, my next question...

    ...you refer to people being made "dependent on welfare," essentially, "making a lifestyle out of it," as Bill Clinton used to say. Are there limits now to how long people can collect TANF (traditional cash assistance welfare for the poor)? HINT: it was all part of the same changes in welfare laws that I referenced above that went into effect in 1997.
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    When I was a kid my family had to live in a large cardboard box and we would go months without eating. Each one of us kids spoke a different language so communicating was only done by hand signals.

    Since my parents left us 8 kids when I was 7 years old, we had to hang in together and build ourselves up from our tattered bootstraps. Suffice it to say it was a difficult childhood.

    I never asked for any help because I could panhandle from the golfers in front of the country club and I was able to save enough money to go to college. I then went to work for Enron and I was able to cash out my stock options right before the market crashed.

    I'm an American success story and I really don't give a rats ass about anyone else. Now I'm a proud teabagger and get all my news from Fox so that I can stay informed as to when we have to take up arms to defend our country from socialismcommunismfascismmarxism and mexicanism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by washed up wrestler View Post
    When I was a kid my family had to live in a large cardboard box and we would go months without eating. Each one of us kids spoke a different language so communicating was only done by hand signals.

    Since my parents left us 8 kids when I was 7 years old, we had to hang in together and build ourselves up from our tattered bootstraps. Suffice it to say it was a difficult childhood.

    I never asked for any help because I could panhandle from the golfers in front of the country club and I was able to save enough money to go to college. I then went to work for Enron and I was able to cash out my stock options right before the market crashed.

    I'm an American success story and I really don't give a rats ass about anyone else. Now I'm a proud teabagger and get all my news from Fox so that I can stay informed as to when we have to take up arms to defend our country from socialismcommunismfascismmarxism and mexicanism.
    Classy as usual.

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