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    Quote Originally Posted by ban basketball View Post
    It's not for me to define, it is for society to define, which has already been done. The problem is the persistent racial element that continues to surface regarding how we define a terrorist.

    McVeigh...The Oklahoma City bomber
    Kazinski (Sp?)...The unabomber
    Luke Helder...The mailbox bomber

    I suspect that if these folks met our "profile" of what a terrorist is, they would be called terrorists.
    Who doesn't call them terrorists?

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    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    Who doesn't call them terrorists?
    Were they charged with terrorism?

    Why do we call them "bombers," as opposed to terrorists?

    Does society differentiate between the two terms?

    Why haven't the recent incidents of non-Muslims engaged in such acts resulted in charges of terrorism?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ban basketball View Post
    Were they charged with terrorism?

    Why do we call them "bombers," as opposed to terrorists?

    Does society differentiate between the two terms?

    Why haven't the recent incidents of non-Muslims engaged in such acts resulted in charges of terrorism?

    A quick look at wikepedia shows that the FBI designated Kazinsi a "domestic terrorist". They also say that McVeigh was responsible for the single worst act of terrorism on US soil. That was pre-9/11. Someone also wrote a book about him called American Terrorist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    A quick look at wikepedia shows that the FBI designated Kazinsi a "domestic terrorist". They also say that McVeigh was responsible for the single worst act of terrorism on US soil. That was pre-9/11. Someone also wrote a book about him called American Terrorist.
    Sure, after the fact. Were they charged with terrorism?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ban basketball View Post
    Sure, after the fact. Were they charged with terrorism?
    The Weather Underground and the Black Panthers (just to name two other examples) weren't immediately labeled as terrorists either. Domestic terrorism appears to be a tag best applied in hindsight, after all of the facts are gathered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flop The Nuts View Post
    The Weather Underground and the Black Panthers (just to name two other examples) weren't immediately labeled as terrorists either. Domestic terrorism appears to be a tag best applied in hindsight, after all of the facts are gathered.
    Yes, but it sure seems to be an immediate tag when the perpetrator(s) meet our profile though. Take the case of the recent Army psychiatrist, who was never even involved with any terrorist groups, aside from doing research on the effects of PTSD on them.

    Let's face it, there is certainly a profile that our country has and maintains when it comes to terrorism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ban basketball

    Were they charged with terrorism?

    Why do we call them "bombers," as opposed to terrorists?

    Does society differentiate between the two terms?

    Why haven't the recent incidents of non-Muslims engaged in such acts resulted in charges of terrorism?
    Having a role in one of Kaczynski's bombings in California I have a personal interest in the case. But having said that my memory of many distinct facts has faded. But I'll do my best to give you some information as I remember.

    Back at the time of the Unabomber case terrorism was viewed differently. The U.S did not commonly prosecute people for political beliefs but rather for their harmful actions stemming from them. Changes to laws preceeding Kaczynski's arrest were prompted by anti-terrorist legislation.

    So while he was not charged nor did he plead to terrorism his charges of illegally transporting an explosive and mailing an explosive resulting in a death was made possible by those recent anti-terrorist legislation.

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    The fact is those people are terrorist but we are under the threat of Islamic terrorist more than we are any other type of person. If a bunch of Jews had flown into the WTC then we would profile people that have names like Goldberg . We are profiling the people most likely to commit the act we are most threatened by.

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    The fact is those people are terrorist but we are under the threat of Islamic terrorist more than we are any other type of person. If a bunch of Jews had flown into the WTC then we would profile people that have names like Goldberg . We are profiling the people most likely to commit the act we are most threatened by.
    Did we profile white conservatives after Oklahoma City?

    I don't watch a lot of national news (I get my non-local news from NPR, this forum and a few minutes of GMA if I'm running late in the morning), but in terms of recent attacks on US government targets I can think of 1 that I heard the perpetrator called a terrorist (and certain pundits were very upset that not everyone was calling him a terrorist) and that was the muslim guy at the military base, the white guy who shot up the holocaust museaum, the white guy who shot up a government building not long after (I forget which building but it was in DC) and the white guy who flew a plane into the IRS building havn't been labeled terrorists from what I've seen.
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