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    Quote Originally Posted by UGLY View Post
    Scott I can agree with you but I would suggest that the Mexican culture is socially conservative
    It is a very conservative culture with their money and values. The problem a large percentage is dependent now on the government so they will vote democratic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UGLY View Post
    Scott I can agree with you but I would suggest that the Mexican culture is socially conservative
    Socially conservative won't mean much if they feel one party has a racist bent towards them. These bills seem terribly racist to a lot of Mexican-Americans. California is an example as are a lot of states - like New Mexico - where the difference was the 67% of the Mexican-American voters who voted for the Democrat. The Republicans will do well in the next cycle, maybe two, because of independents, but to lose the largest voting block, because they 'come off' as racist is not good for the long term.

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    ALL the Southwest has changed SO much in the last 20 years that it is literally non recognizable . Venice Beach used to be a fun place to hang out -now it is a good place to get killed -same with most of Colorado and AZ.
    I don't just mean the people , I mean the landscape and the over all personality of the small towns . Used to be the Colorado was a wild ass river -now it barely qualifies as a creek .
    I taught in Glendale 15 years ago and now would not go south of Glendale unarmed .
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    In the past few years, "illegal" immigration has been decreasing http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/02/09/napolitano-recession-deepens-illegal-immigration-mexico-declines/

    Can't forget the primary reason for the increase in "illegal" immigration into the country. The fix is in government policy, not on an individual level http://www.startribune.com/business/11050476.html

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    I saw that story on the news and from what I understand about the bill (probably very little), I don't see how its implementation can possibly avoid racial profiling. Of course this raises the question of whether racial profiling too much a price to pay to fix what appears to be a major problem. If I lived in a border state, maybe I'd feel differently about it. I certainly don't think racial profiling is inappropriate in identifying terrorists on airlines. If I were middle-eastern looking and were singled out for security checks time after time, I wouldn't be pissed off at the TSA people, I'd be pissed off at the middle-eastern terrorists who created the problem.
    There also may be a bit of a logistical problem with that as well: only 2 of the last 6 or 8 (I can verify later) terrorist axts committed in the U.S. have been committed by someone who fits our "profile" of what a terrorist looks like; e.g., middle eastern or arab. What does that tell us about the accuracy of profiling for terrorist acctivity?

    However, for many in our society, terrorism can only be committed by "certain folks." If they don't fit that profile of these "certain folks," they are "freedom fighters."
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    Quote Originally Posted by ban basketball View Post
    There also may be a bit of a logistical problem with that as well: only 2 of the last 6 or 8 (I can verify later) terrorist axts committed in the U.S. have been committed by someone who fits our "profile" of what a terrorist looks like; e.g., middle eastern or arab. What does that tell us about the accuracy of profiling for terrorist acctivity?

    However, for many in our society, terrorism can only be committed by "certain folks." If they don't fit that profile of these "certain folks," they are "freedom fighters."

    Give me your defenition and then give me the instances you are talking about

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    Enforcing existing laws doesn't have anything to do with the free market.
    Unless the existing laws interfere with the market
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    You're not equating the free market with open borders are you?
    In a real free market a company wants to hire someone to do X job for $Y and an person wants to do X job for $Y the company can hire them. When the government step in and tells a company that they can't hire the person they want the government is interfereing with the market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ground&Pound View Post
    If the government comes down hard on businesses that hire illegals, then maybe they will stop coming here?
    Yup, they'll probably stop coming here, but chances are that the business that doesn't hire them will end up moving to where ever that cheap labor is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UGLY View Post
    Give me your defenition and then give me the instances you are talking about
    It's not for me to define, it is for society to define, which has already been done. The problem is the persistent racial element that continues to surface regarding how we define a terrorist.

    McVeigh...The Oklahoma City bomber
    Kazinski (Sp?)...The unabomber
    Luke Helder...The mailbox bomber

    I suspect that if these folks met our "profile" of what a terrorist is, they would be called terrorists.
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