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    Default Re: Who wrote the health bill?

    Quote Originally Posted by FloggingSully View Post
    So, in order to stay in power and gain control over the population, they decided to enact legislation that nobody likes and is going to get them all voted out? ReallY?
    I never said they wanted to gain control over the population just American business and I said they want to keep people dependent on the government.

    I think they passed this bill in order to cause the insurance companies to go out of business and then create the need for complete government run health care.

    They certainly did not pass it to help big or small business people or to create jobs, they didn't do it to save money because they are doubling our national deficit. They did it to create dependency on the government so we can move to socialism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spider View Post
    It's one thing to create or continue to support programs which favor certain groups in order to secure their votes, but it's quite another to choose to make people dependent on government in order to exert control.
    Read the Act, it is being rolled out over a period of years, a gradual takeover, but when all is said and done, the government will control all of the health care you have access to and government will tell which types of treatment, when you can access it and who must provide the care. Eventually, you will not not only be paying for the government run plan, but you'll be offered a supplementary health insurance by private insurers- independent of the government plan, that enables you to get access to the type of care, when you want it, and whom provides the care.

    ........just like it is right now in Europe and Canada.

    You'll pay what you pay now (increased by inflation) for opting into a more convenient plan, in addition to being saddled with paying into the government run program. Check our government run health care in Sweden. Your personal income tax is near 60% in order to fund the social programs.

    Don't laugh Dental care is next on the agenda.
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    All I'm saying is that for better or worse, I don't believe that Obamacare has any hidden agenda or intentions other than to make healthcare available and affordable to all citizens. Whether the upside is worth the downside depends on one's opinion of whether healthcare is a right or a privilege.

    As far as how it will affect dentistry, I will hopefully be retired by the time that happens (a cop out to be sure, but I've paid my dues and I'm entitled ).
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    Quote Originally Posted by UGLY View Post
    I think they passed this bill in order to cause the insurance companies to go out of business and then create the need for complete government run health care.
    How is making everyone buy insurance going to put insurance out of business?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FloggingSully View Post
    How is making everyone buy insurance going to put insurance out of business?

    The theory is that the penalties for companies not offering insurance is a lot cheaper to them than offering it. So, they dump their coverage which forces people to buy from the government run pools. Pretty soon everyone is in the government pools, which is what some people believe Obama wants in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    The theory is that the penalties for companies not offering insurance is a lot cheaper to them than offering it.
    Isn't it currently cheaper for companies to not offer insurance than to offer it?

    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    So, they dump their coverage which forces people to buy from the government run pools. Pretty soon everyone is in the government pools, which is what some people believe Obama wants in the first place.
    What are government run pools? Do you mean the government option for health insurance that wasn't included in the bill that passed?
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    It is currently cheaper for companies not to offer insurance. But it is also a bargaining chip to attract good employees. I would think that someone looking for a job would take one with insurance over one without. Since it is much cheaper for employees to have health care from their employers, it really does make a difference when choosing a job.

    The government pools, I think, is in the health care bill. I may have labeled it wrong, but I'm pretty sure they are going to create pools where high risk and low income people can pool their money together to get cheaper insurance. These pools will be regulated by the government and offer required coverage for certain things that the government deems necessary. Once more and more companies decide to dump coverage, because it is no longer a bargaining chip, it is thought that the government will say that it proves that the people WANT government run health care. So the part about "keeping your current insurance if you like it", really isn't up to you. It is up to employers and if insurance isn't a way to sway an employee, then it makes sense for a company to drop it.

    I am not necessarily saying that it is going to go this way, but that is the theory.

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    I'm one of those guys who can write a really good resume, then follow it with a really good interview. So, I have changed jobs (and careers) quite a bit. When I was younger, I followed the dollar. Later, benefits became much more important.
    For the past 20 years or so, health insurance was a major factor in my accepting positions. (Spider - DENTAL insurance was really, really, really important!) Take away that carrot and I guess some other benefit will become the real deciding factor.
    Ooops - maybe not. I figure 2013 will probably be my last year on the job - unless they figure out some benefit better than spraying people with tear gas.

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    Default Re: Who wrote the health bill?

    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    It is currently cheaper for companies not to offer insurance. But it is also a bargaining chip to attract good employees. I would think that someone looking for a job would take one with insurance over one without. Since it is much cheaper for employees to have health care from their employers, it really does make a difference when choosing a job.
    Why won't health insurance continue to be a barganing chip with this new legislation?
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