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    Quote Originally Posted by Flop The Nuts View Post
    In many cases, no one pays directly and the hospital claims it as a loss and a charitable contribution. A hospital can't turn away a true emergency, all they can do is triage the non-emergencies or urgent care cases.
    Somebody is paying in the end. If services are provided and no income comes in the hospital is losing money and the difference has to be made up somewhere.

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    I dont know if Hospitals get write offs because most are non-profit, I know the Children's Hospital is a for profit.

    I need to look at the financing of this bill a little more because I have been hearing about some number fudging on the part of the dems to the CBO.

    Only real chance of revoking this bill anytime soon is for congress to say it is unconstitutional to make people buy a product, hopefully it works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chance174 View Post
    I keep hearing how more people will not get care....Can anyone actually name a time or find a reference where someone died because they were denied treatment?
    What "news" source are you "hearing" this from.

    I could take a guess but I don't want to be presumptuous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chance174 View Post
    I keep hearing how more people will not get care....Can anyone actually name a time or find a reference where someone died because they were denied treatment?
    Don't you think one would be too many in our great country? I do. I could care less what their social status, race, religion, political affiliation etc etc happens to be.

    How many non-insured 20 somethings happen to unfortunately have a catastrophic injury and all of a sudden have to find the means to pay for it? Who pays for it?

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    The reason I care so much about this isn't because Barack Obama and the Dems went all in, but it is because I have had diabetes most of my adult life. If I was to lose my job, I would be pushed to COBRA which would automatically, dramatically raise my premiums.

    If and when COBRA would run out in the event I can't find a job or an employer who would cover me-what insurance company would take me? If so, how huge would my premiums be and what would they cover and not cover?

    I've been a law abiding, tax paying American for 35 years. Should I be forced to drain all my savings to get the care that I need?

    Do you really think tort reform would help me? What if I stayed in the same state?

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    Quote Originally Posted by washed up wrestler View Post
    The reason I care so much about this isn't because Barack Obama and the Dems went all in, but it is because I have had diabetes most of my adult life. If I was to lose my job, I would be pushed to COBRA which would automatically, dramatically raise my premiums.

    If and when COBRA would run out in the event I can't find a job or an employer who would cover me-what insurance company would take me? If so, how huge would my premiums be and what would they cover and not cover?

    I've been a law abiding, tax paying American for 35 years. Should I be forced to drain all my savings to get the care that I need?

    Do you really think tort reform would help me? What if I stayed in the same state?
    You know I do understand why some people would want this reform. What I dont understand is why because you have an issue I have to pay for it without being given a choice. There is a way for more people to get affordable coverage without forcing the people to pay for something they dont want. There have been other proposals put out there but the democrats would not listen to anyone. This will be accepted in a few years because everybody likes a hand out (except the guy who has to pay for others handouts) what happens when the expensive portions of this bill kick in 2013 and we are thrust back into recession.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UGLY View Post
    You know I do understand why some people would want this reform. What I dont understand is why because you have an issue I have to pay for it without being given a choice. There is a way for more people to get affordable coverage without forcing the people to pay for something they dont want. There have been other proposals put out there but the democrats would not listen to anyone. This will be accepted in a few years because everybody likes a hand out (except the guy who has to pay for others handouts) what happens when the expensive portions of this bill kick in 2013 and we are thrust back into recession.
    I have to hit the road and see some customers but I'll catch up with you later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ODH View Post
    Somebody is paying in the end. If services are provided and no income comes in the hospital is losing money and the difference has to be made up somewhere.
    Yes, as I said, it is a loss to the hospital. If someone is uninsured, the hospital gets zero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UGLY View Post
    I dont know if Hospitals get write offs because most are non-profit, I know the Children's Hospital is a for profit.

    I need to look at the financing of this bill a little more because I have been hearing about some number fudging on the part of the dems to the CBO.

    Only real chance of revoking this bill anytime soon is for congress to say it is unconstitutional to make people buy a product, hopefully it works.
    Claiming a charitable contribution can occur regardless of whether the hospital is profit or non-profit.

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