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  1. #109

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    Quote Originally Posted by ban basketball View Post
    Not sure which government forces me to buy flood insurance, but some government is sure forcing me to buy it. Does it really matter? It's still government forcing me to buy something.

    Could it become a federal crime if I deny my children food and they die, or deny them medical care when they need it and they die?

    I'm also forced to have to "buy" services from taxation, which is federal.

    I guess I'm confused as to why it matters if it is a federal or state, or local government that is forcing me to buy something? Is one particularly more menacing and "oppressive" than another? It's all government and it all regulates.

    It's kind of like saying, "You're forced by the government to have to buy THAT?!"
    "Well, only the state government is forcing me to buy that."
    "Whew! What a relief! And here I thought that it was government that was forcing you to buy it!"
    As far as flood insurance goes, you don't have to own a home. As far as food for your children, you can grow your own or hunt or fish. As far as which government makes you buy what, it does matter. It is a lot easier for people in one state or city to overturn a law than it is for a nation. If you don't like a particular mandate in your city you can move to one that doesn't require it. Like your flood insurance. I bet there are places that don't require it and you could move there or vote out your current city counsel. If it is national, then your stuck.

  2. #110

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    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    As far as flood insurance goes, you don't have to own a home. As far as food for your children, you can grow your own or hunt or fish. As far as which government makes you buy what, it does matter. It is a lot easier for people in one state or city to overturn a law than it is for a nation. If you don't like a particular mandate in your city you can move to one that doesn't require it. Like your flood insurance. I bet there are places that don't require it and you could move there or vote out your current city counsel. If it is national, then your stuck.
    Government requires that I buy a hunting or a fishing license.

    I'm assuming that you don't like this health care legislation? How about taking a page out of your own book and moving to another country? That ought to be about as easy as the other easy steps that you've spelled out for me, correct?
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  3. #111

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    Just thought of another, then off to bigger and better fights: For people who have to pass through national park land to get to their daily destination (in some areas there are no other options), they are forced by federal government to buy a park pass.

    They could "opt out," but at what cost to their families, careers, livelihood, etc?
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  4. #112

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    Quote Originally Posted by ban basketball

    No, it is NOT irrelevant.

    If I work, or even if I do not, I am forced to pay taxes. What am I paying for with taxes? Services. In short, I am forced to "buy" services, which is done through taxation.
    Taxation is not in this discussion. This isn't an esoteric concept.

    You unfortunately interchangably mix the term government with local, state, and federal levels and then unfortunately mix in taxes because of your philosophical belief it is a purchase item.

    All others and I have done is to explain the legal issues being claimed. It's not my opinion or the other posters opinions but an honest attempt to accurately frame the attorney generals' constitutional argument. Apparently our best efforts have been inadequate for you.
    Last edited by pm01; 03-31-2010 at 06:52 PM.

  5. #113

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    Quote Originally Posted by ban basketball View Post
    Government requires that I buy a hunting or a fishing license.
    No they don't. There is no madate than anyone purchase a hunting of fishing license. They are required in some places if you want to hunt or fish, but as you aren't forced by the government to hunt or fish, you don't have to buy either permit.

    I'm not sure how much clearer I can make it, up until the healthcare bill passed, the federal government has never required all of it's citizens to purchase a good/service on the open market. It has never happened. Because it has never happened, the supreme court has never had to examine the constitutionality of the federal government doing this.
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  6. #114

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    Quote Originally Posted by ban basketball View Post
    Any penalties that you're aware of if they do this?
    If companies no longer offered health benefits? No penalties that I'm aware of.

  7. #115

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flop The Nuts View Post
    They'll most likely buy into the government plan, because it will be less expensive. The plans will be subsidized by the government, so the prices will be artifically lower.
    Didn't they cut the government plan out?
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  8. #116

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    Quote Originally Posted by ban basketball View Post
    Government requires that I buy a hunting or a fishing license.

    I'm assuming that you don't like this health care legislation? How about taking a page out of your own book and moving to another country? That ought to be about as easy as the other easy steps that you've spelled out for me, correct?
    Yes, but it would be better if you could just move to another state rather than departing the country.

  9. #117

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    Quote Originally Posted by ban basketball View Post
    Just thought of another: Early withdrawal penalties on a 401k plan.

    Government is forcing me to pay a fee to get the "service" of getting my money earlier. Can we really get anymore intrusive than that? Even I, as a lifelong democrat, find that one intrusive!
    I've never paid an early withdrawal fee or been forced to purchase a hunting or fishing license.

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