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    MR Newdom had filed a lawsuit claiming that "In God We Trust" and "Under God" were unconstitutional. The US 9th circuit court of appeals a very liberal court had a different view on it. This decision coming from that court surprises me considering they sided with Newdom on students saying the pledge in schools. A Bush appointed judge said that the pledge is meant to unite us all. The court ruled that the sayings do not violate separation of Church and State.

    Of course I like this decision and I thought it was about time that this anti God movement met a road block. I understand some people dont want God to be anywhere but I believe they are taking it too far, this might prove that point.

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    So you are saying that, in order to say the pledge of alliegence to my country, I must give recognition to a god that I do not believe in? I am not anti-god. I just don't want your god, or any other, forced down my throat. That is what this relatively late (circa 1954?) change in the pledge does.
    The "In God We Trust" motto grates on me, but it is something that I can, for the most part, ignore. "One nation, under God" is forced on me every time I say the pledge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M Richardson View Post
    So you are saying that, in order to say the pledge of alliegence to my country, I must give recognition to a god that I do not believe in? I am not anti-god. I just don't want your god, or any other, forced down my throat. That is what this relatively late (circa 1954?) change in the pledge does.
    The "In God We Trust" motto grates on me, but it is something that I can, for the most part, ignore. "One nation, under God" is forced on me every time I say the pledge.
    You have a point but then again is anyone forcing you to say the pledge?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chance174 View Post
    You have a point but then again is anyone forcing you to say the pledge?
    I volunteered for the Army, and volunteered for Vietnam, and volunteered to stay in Vietnam for an extra tour. Who has the right to deny me the saying of the pledge?
    As far as the coinage - I don't spend a lot of time reading the inscriptions on the money (I usually don't have it long enough to read!) And that is a passive activity. I know the inscription is there. I don't like it. But I don't have to declare that motto. The pledge is different to me. I am making an affermation - and the addition of the phrase "under God" makes it an untrue statement.
    When I was teaching I said the pledge every single school day. I would just not say the "under God" part - I would say the pledge up to that point, be silent for that phrase, and then resume. Some of my students would question me. Without getting into the particulars, I would just tell them that I preferred it the way I had learned it - without.

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    As one might expect, I agree with M Richardson and couldn't express it any better. I am not anti-God and resent the label (realizing that UGLY probably wouldn't include me). I just don't believe that God belongs everywhere that people want to put Him. There is a place for everything and God does not belong in a government which claims to represent every individual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by M Richardson View Post
    I volunteered for the Army, and volunteered for Vietnam, and volunteered to stay in Vietnam for an extra tour. Who has the right to deny me the saying of the pledge?
    As far as the coinage - I don't spend a lot of time reading the inscriptions on the money (I usually don't have it long enough to read!) And that is a passive activity. I know the inscription is there. I don't like it. But I don't have to declare that motto. The pledge is different to me. I am making an affermation - and the addition of the phrase "under God" makes it an untrue statement.
    When I was teaching I said the pledge every single school day. I would just not say the "under God" part - I would say the pledge up to that point, be silent for that phrase, and then resume. Some of my students would question me. Without getting into the particulars, I would just tell them that I preferred it the way I had learned it - without.

    Hey man i really do see your point but I never said anything about denying anyone anthing. I only said nobody is being forced to say the pledge and that is true.

    This is a simple subject in the fact that it only involves 2 words but a very complicated one as it deals with peoples believes and their hearts.

    I honestly don't know the answer on what should be done as I am torn between two views. One being that reglion (any religion) shouldnt be part of schools unless it is an afterschool club or something.

    the other side of my says this nation was founded on Christian ideals and Christians are still the majority and should stop bowing down to the ideals of everyone else to where the minority rules the majority. Not to mention i think sometimes we just have to deal with things we don't like.

    I have come to a conclusion yet and may never fully being able to frame my thoughts on this. Once again a very complicated subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chance174 View Post
    Hey man i really do see your point but I never said anything about denying anyone anthing. I only said nobody is being forced to say the pledge and that is true.
    The Pledge of Allegiance should be all inclusive and not offensive to anyone's religious beliefs. God has NOTHING to do with patriotism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chance174 View Post
    the other side of my says this nation was founded on Christian ideals and Christians are still the majority and should stop bowing down to the ideals of everyone else to where the minority rules the majority. Not to mention i think sometimes we just have to deal with things we don't like.
    It's not a question of the minority ruling the majority, it's a question of the majority respecting the beliefs of the minority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by M Richardson View Post
    So you are saying that, in order to say the pledge of alliegence to my country, I must give recognition to a god that I do not believe in? I am not anti-god. I just don't want your god, or any other, forced down my throat. That is what this relatively late (circa 1954?) change in the pledge does.
    The "In God We Trust" motto grates on me, but it is something that I can, for the most part, ignore. "One nation, under God" is forced on me every time I say the pledge.
    So you are saying that every time you look at or use money, you are able to ignore "In God We Trust", but every time you are forced to say the pledge you can't ignore it. Hmmm....

    How many times per day do you look at or use money? How many times per day or per year are you forced to say the Pledge of Alliegence?

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    I believe that the explanation by the justice saying the pledge is an affirmation of our wide spreading beliefs. At the time "under God" was added the majority of people probably wanted it and enjoyed it. People like Newbon ( I do not include Spider or Richardson here) want to take up everything. At some point there voice becomes null and numb and even the court probably does not see the validity if there is any in the argument. I served in the military not in war but I volunteered as a believer I enjoy the fact the pledge is the way it is and I say Amen after every time I say it. I could do that without God being in the pledge. The pledge does not indicate what God just God. I know that some are offended but we cant please all the people all the time.

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