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    Quote Originally Posted by Flop The Nuts View Post
    I hope that some of this stuff is true. I think it's supremely arrogant to believe that we are the only life in the entire universe.

    On the other hand, all of the other "cover-up" stuff is difficult to believe.

    Go study the links I provided. It is all backed with research & empirical data.

    The research shows that "evolution" is not a gradual thing nor is it strictly vertical. There have been enough fly-bys, landings & telescopic analysis to show that other bodies in this system have a high likelihood of some form of biological life upon them. It also shows that extraterrestrial impacted material carries biological substances. There is enough inter-disciplinary study to theorize & substantiate that this planet was seeded by life from elsewhere.

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    Spectrum analysis, also known as emission spectrochemical analysis, is the original scientific method of charting and analyzing the chemical properties of matter and gases by looking at the bands in their optical spectrum. The empirical laws of spectrum analysis are commonly known as Kirchhoff's Three Laws of Spectroscopy as follows:

    1) A hot solid or a hot, dense gas produces a continuous spectrum.
    2) A hot, low-density gas produces an emission-line spectrum.
    3) A continuous spectrum source viewed through a cool, low-density gas produces an absorption-line spectrum.

    Anders Jonas ?ngstr?m, Charles Wheatstone, Gustav Kirchhoff, Robert Bunsen, William Crookes, and others contributed to early spectroscopy through the discovery and exploitation of spectral emission lines.

    In 1835, Charles Wheatstone reported that different metals could be easily distinguished by the different bright lines in the emission spectra of their sparks, thereby launching the science of spectrum analysis.

    In 1854, David Alter, a scientist of Freeport, Pennsylvania, published a work that included the spectral radiance properties for twelve metals, titled On Certain Physical Properties of Light Produced by the Combustion of Different Metals in an Electric Spark Refracted by a Prism. Dr. Alter began studying the optical properties of matter ever since finding a piece of melted, prismatic glass in the debris of the great Pittsburgh fire of 1845. By 1855, Alter published another article that expanded his original theory by including six gases, including the first discovery of what came to be named the Balmer lines of hydrogen. Alter's article contains a paragraph where he visualized the application of spectrum analysis to astronomy, mentioning the study and detection of elements in the combustion of shooting stars or luminous meteors, and daguerreotyped the dark lines of the solar spectrum. Alter's spectral discoveries were noted in various scientific publications in France, Germany, and Switzerland from 1854 to 1860.

    Anders Jonas ?ngstr?m a physicist in Sweden, in 1853 had presented similar theories about gases having spectra in his work: Optiska Unders?kningar to the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences pointing out that the electric spark yields two superposed spectra. ?ngstr?m also postulated that an incandescent gas emits luminous rays of the same refrangibility as those which it can absorb. This statement contains a fundamental principle of spectrum analysis.

    In 1860, German physicist Gustav Kirchhoff and chemist Robert Bunsen published their own findings on the spectra of eight metals and identified these metals in natural elements. Kirchoff went on to contribute fundamental research on the nature of spectral absorption. Spectrum analysis was then grouped by Kirchhoff into the three fundamental laws commonly called Kirchoff's Laws, these laws integrated both Alter and ?ngstr?m's discoveries of radiance and emission with Kirchhoff's fundamental discoveries of absorption.

    Johann Balmer discovered in 1885 that the four visible lines of hydrogen were part of a series which could be expressed in terms of integers. This was followed a few years later by the Rydberg formula describing additional series of lines.

    In the early twentieth century, spectrum analysis led to "atomic spectroscopy" and quantum mechanics.

    If quantum mechanics hasn't profoundly shocked you, you haven't understood it yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kr1963 View Post
    Go study the links I provided. It is all backed with research & empirical data.
    Hey, I'm not one who needs convincing. Spectral analysis isn't new or cutting edge, it's established science. The more I read about quantum mechanics the more it becomes clear that we really don't understand how things occur at the sub-atomic level. To be a skeptic, or to think that we have everything figured out is to be closed minded.

    Having said that, there is another quote that comes to mind. "Don't be so open minded that your brain falls out of your head".

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    It was just a suggestion. I am sure you don't need to be convinced. I find it funny that once you start providing that data to the naysayers, they shut up or just resort to personal attacks.

    You are correct that SA isn't some fringe cutting edge science so Ugly's statements to me are just astonishing in their ignorance. It nearly reminds me of the reaction to van Leeuwenhoek's initial work on single cell organisms. No one even bothered to look in the microscope & SEE! The Royal Science Academy took years to send someone to confirm his findings.

    Or a 150 years ago when a young British doctor suggested & demonstrated that washing your hands before a surgery would increase the mortality rates of your patients & everyone in the medical field laughed @ him. It is the same sort of ignorance & unwillingness to look that we are confronted with today.

    I am a very spiritual person but I am also not into delving into that fray. I am just talking about what you can see & touch. The material science analysis report has photos & recordings from standard measuring devices. The material does NOT appear on earth, that's a fact. The ceramic casing is a technology that is not commercially known. The mixing of the two can really only lead to a few conclusions.

    In a culture where interdisciplinary research is becoming the norm, we can see that all the new research being done & the data it provides, from gene mapping by paleontologists to material & spectral analysis, is paving the way for the new science of Astrobiology & the demonstrable theory of Panspermia.

    To say that it is just opinion is like saying that the Earth is flat & the Sun revolves around the Earth. And yes Virginia, those were 2 accepted beliefs a mere 400 to 600 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kr1963 View Post
    It was just a suggestion. I am sure you don't need to be convinced. I find it funny that once you start providing that data to the naysayers, they shut up or just resort to personal attacks.

    You are correct that SA isn't some fringe cutting edge science so Ugly's statements to me are just astonishing in their ignorance. It nearly reminds me of the reaction to van Leeuwenhoek's initial work on single cell organisms. No one even bothered to look in the microscope & SEE! The Royal Science Academy took years to send someone to confirm his findings.

    Or a 150 years ago when a young British doctor suggested & demonstrated that washing your hands before a surgery would increase the mortality rates of your patients & everyone in the medical field laughed @ him. It is the same sort of ignorance & unwillingness to look that we are confronted with today.

    I am a very spiritual person but I am also not into delving into that fray. I am just talking about what you can see & touch. The material science analysis report has photos & recordings from standard measuring devices. The material does NOT appear on earth, that's a fact. The ceramic casing is a technology that is not commercially known. The mixing of the two can really only lead to a few conclusions.

    In a culture where interdisciplinary research is becoming the norm, we can see that all the new research being done & the data it provides, from gene mapping by paleontologists to material & spectral analysis, is paving the way for the new science of Astrobiology & the demonstrable theory of Panspermia.

    To say that it is just opinion is like saying that the Earth is flat & the Sun revolves around the Earth. And yes Virginia, those were 2 accepted beliefs a mere 400 to 600 years ago.

    Just so we are clear I believe that spectral analysis works here with what we know. But to claim that it is perfect and infallible with stars and planets light years away is I believe more ignorant, because there is no possible way to prove your statement. Proving something works on items we can see, touch and smell is much more accurate than if you can only see it. Please convince me that we know exactly what black holes are made of and we know exactly what they do, you cant. You can throw out some theories but they are not testable theories are they because we cant reach a black hole or a star or a planet 1 light year away let alone 60 light years away.


    As I also stated I am open to the possibility that their was or is life on other planets, we cant say one way or another but I believe it could be possible.

    What I do not accept is that aliens have been coming here and visiting the undereducated and government facilities for years and yet there is no real accepted data out there. I have watched the UFO show on history channel and they have yet to put a scientist from Yale, Stanford, Harvard or even Arizona State on the show to proclaim the visits of these creatures.

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    I am not even saying that it is a bad thing to do, it is a good start but it is not the end all be all IMO.

    Also I would not compare a testable experiment such as washing your hands before surgery to trying to say what gases planets have 60 light years away. That's a little different, dont you think.

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    Light spectra don't lie. People can misinterpret or mis-analyze yes but that is possible anywhere & is a part of life so far. Even when translating the Bible or predicting the future based upon past experiences.

    In Science it is the predictability. Can you postulate things & have someone else replicate the same thing somewhere else. Light Spectra follow laws whether the transverse 60 years or 60 light years.

    I got it that you are open to those things. My point was that until you study the data available then any conclusion is often assumptive or uneducated at best. Conventional Wisdom is at times limited & on an agenda.

    Accepted data is a relative term I think in your world. Just because it does not play to the Mass Media also does not make these things UNTRUE.

    But if you believe what you do then how do you explain a substance in someone's foot that is composed of material from the center of the galaxy & a substance that we currently do not commercially posses to manufacture? And the person has NO recollection of it ever being put there.

    If it is not made by an off planet civilization, then someone here has the ability to obtain material from meteors emanating from beyond this solar system & encase them into a material that we don't know how to make.

    @ 37,000 mag there are perfectly shaped cubes/equilateral polygons microns thick. Search the world & ask someone to make it. They won't be able to. I think that is enough data from someone to say @ least WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON HERE?

    Read the analysis & look @ the pictures & you can then explain it to me from your idea & model of the universe.
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    KR is mixing well accepted science with conspiracy and giants leaps of faith.

    He is right about spetral analysis. And the laws of physics apply in out of space as well as they do earth. So there might be gas that we know nothing about on other planets, but they will be made from the same elements that exist on earth and spectral analysis can determined what those elements aer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ODH View Post
    KR is mixing well accepted science with conspiracy and giants leaps of faith.

    He is right about spetral analysis. And the laws of physics apply in out of space as well as they do earth. So there might be gas that we know nothing about on other planets, but they will be made from the same elements that exist on earth and spectral analysis can determined what those elements aer.
    This. And the accepted science that posits that these gasses may be made from extraterrestrial life (like methane on Mars) are talking about potential single celled organisms, not earth visiting ETs. And none of this is proven to date. To claim the former supports the latter is highly disingenuous at best, and a flat out lie at worst.

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