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    Quote Originally Posted by FloggingSully View Post
    The entire global scientific community isn't solely relying on this one guy's data.
    "IPCC again based its assertion on a single study that was not peer-reviewed."
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    "IPCC again based its assertion on a single study that was not peer-reviewed."
    IPCC = the entire global scientific community?

    What assertion did they base on the one lousy study?
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    Benefits of assuming that man-made global warming is a real and solvable problem:

    Develop new "green" tecnologies, hopefully stimulating economy

    decrease overall polution (it's not just CO2 that gets pumped into the air)

    decrease reliance on middle east and their questionable governments

    decrease the rate of consumption of a finite fossil fuel resource

    set a good example for other countries such as China and India to follow as they improve technologically and thus consume more resources of their own

    decrease or prevent the catastrophies that may occur if the Earth's climate continues to warm up


    Benefits of assuming man-made global warming is NOT real:
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    Quote Originally Posted by arm-spin View Post
    Benefits of assuming that man-made global warming is a real and solvable problem:

    Develop new "green" tecnologies, hopefully stimulating economy

    decrease overall polution (it's not just CO2 that gets pumped into the air)

    decrease reliance on middle east and their questionable governments

    decrease the rate of consumption of a finite fossil fuel resource

    set a good example for other countries such as China and India to follow as they improve technologically and thus consume more resources of their own

    decrease or prevent the catastrophes that may occur if the Earth's climate continues to warm up


    Benefits of assuming man-made global warming is NOT real:
    ?

    We know that we need to go in another direction but the problem is we are rushing ourselves into technologies that are not proven and are much more expensive than what we currently have. I dont buy the man made Global warming but I would not mind going to other forms of energy in order to accomplish the objectives you set forth but think about this

    For every job created in Green energy we will eliminate the jobs of people who work in the current energy market and this has happened in Spain. You put 5,000 people to work and you lose 8,000 pre-existing jobs, just as the buggy maker lost his job to the automobile maker.

    We have natural resources in America that we could use to lessen our dependency of foreign oil. Not to mention large amounts of natural gas.

    Earth warms and cools on its own. Even if we did cease all of our polluting and went back to living in caves we could not prevent the earth from warming or cooling as is evident from the earths previous temp. cycles.

    It is always nice to set a good example, but we know they are not going to follow any example we set. India and China are starting to build serious infrastructure and they aren't going to abandon their aspirations simply to look good following questionable science.

    One other issue is that I dont believe that we can change our energy sources and continue to maintain the standard of living we enjoy right now.

    Lets slow down and develop this new energy technology and implement it gradually. Lets do it right instead of rushing it and finding out the hard way how devastating these actions could be on our economy and way of life. And wouldn't it be ironic if we did make the change and 50 years down the road we are thrust into an ice age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arm-spin View Post
    Benefits of assuming that man-made global warming is a real and solvable problem:

    Develop new "green" tecnologies, hopefully stimulating economy

    decrease overall polution (it's not just CO2 that gets pumped into the air)

    decrease reliance on middle east and their questionable governments

    decrease the rate of consumption of a finite fossil fuel resource

    set a good example for other countries such as China and India to follow as they improve technologically and thus consume more resources of their own

    decrease or prevent the catastrophies that may occur if the Earth's climate continues to warm up


    Benefits of assuming man-made global warming is NOT real:
    ?
    All of your benefits are fine, especially #3. My problem with the global warming consortium is that they want to mandate reductions in certain "pollutants", initiate cap and trade, etc... If the U.S. does this alone, we'll put ourselves at a competitive disadvantage to countries not under the same restrictions. There is a major difference between doing the right thing and being legally required to do what the government and enviros believe to be the right thing.

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    Good posts guys. Even though I do believe in man-made global warming, I can appreciate the concerns you have over the techniques currently being used to combat the percieved threat.

    One other issue is that I dont believe that we can change our energy sources and continue to maintain the standard of living we enjoy right now.

    Ulgly, I think this sentence sums up why a lot of people are opposed to global warming- fear of having to sacrifice. Unfortunately, I think that it is inevitable. As the Earth's population increases, the standard of living rises in some third world countries and the number of resources decreases, there is simply not enough resources for all of us to be enjoying the extravagant, wasteful lifestyles that North Americans (including myself) continually have.

    We can sacrfice now, or we (or our children) can sacrifice down the road as our supply of natural resources such as oil and gas begins to deplete. If Global Warming does occur, it will only increase the problem.

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