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    I guess I could if I thought men were attractive.

    Well that is interesting. As a fan of bodybuilding most of my life I have found a lot of mens bodies "attractive". But never in a way I would remotely be interested in having sex with them, nor in a way that I could fall in love with them in a coupling way - there is WAY more to attraction to sex afterall - sex don't take long and is less frequent and shorter as we get older. Anyhow, this is an attraction I can only do with a women. Hell, with my history of relationships; if I could change stripes I would. but I just am not wired that way. I am a flaming heterosexual.

    Basically I guess I find your view rather fascinating and perhaps a bit bisexual. Not that there is anything wrong with that..... just interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    Thank you Ground & Pound. You have seen the light and proved my point. No one is getting kicked out because of a picture. It is acts that you do that have to be proved you did. If it is behind closed doors, no one knows. It even gives an out to someone who did say it, which you aren't supposed to do in the first place. Unless, of course, the military proved to be too hard and you were looking for a way out anyway.
    Here's some more...

    (1) A person's sexual orientation is considered a personal and private matter. Officials of the armed forces will not ask and service members will not be required to reveal whether they are heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual.
    (2) A member's sexual orientation is not a bar to service entry or continued service unless manifested by conduct in the manner described below.
    (3) When a member engages in homosexual conduct, he or she is subject to administrative separation. Homosexual conduct includes a homosexual act, a statement by the member that demonstrates a propensity or intent to engage in homosexual acts, or a homosexual marriage or attempted marriage.
    (4) A statement by a member that demonstrates a propensity or intent to engage in homosexual acts -- such as a statement by the member that he or she is a homosexual -- is grounds for separation, not because it reflects the member's sexual orientation, but because the statement indicates a likelihood that the member engages in or will engage in homosexual acts.
    (5) Neither commanders' inquiries (for administrative reasons or for minor offenses) nor military criminal law enforcement investigations (for criminal violations) will be conducted absent credible information of homosexual conduct.
    (6) Credible information exists when the information, considering its source and the surrounding circumstances, supports a reasonable belief that there is a basis for discharge. It requires a determination based on facts, not just belief or suspicion.
    (7) Service members may be discharged if they are found to have engaged in homosexual conduct.


    Perhaps a picture alone would not be enough to dishonorably discharge. But, if someone casually asks about the identity of the who the person in the photo, the soldier must lie or be investigated.

    The rules go as far as saying that there only needs to be a likelihood that a person will commit homosexual acts in the future. A person doesn't even have to actual act on homosexual impulses. Just having them is enough.

    All they need is "credible information" to being the "asking" investigation. It could also be an overheard conversation or an email read over someone's shoulder.

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    Again, all of that proved that they have to do something. Yes, it did say that you could be discharged for saying you were gay but that is the "don't tell" part of don't ask-don't tell. From what I've been reading from others on this, people of this generation don't care anyway. So if no one cares, who is going to be looking over your shoulder and telling on you for some emails? If no one cares, then when you tell someone that the picture is that of your boyfriend, who would turn you in?

    I'm guessing that people do care and they are the ones in the military. With that, I am going to have to tap-out on this one. It was a nice, spirited debate, but we all just seem to be rehashing what we've already said. Maybe I'll jump back in when and if congress changes anything.

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    I see both sides of this debate and honestly I think we use the discrimination card too much (probably another subject though)....hell I am I discriminated agaist by a lot of clothing stores because they don't cater to out of shape broken down wrestlers. I know not the same but I had to make fun of myself a little

    To me it boils down to one simple thing and that is I am not going to tell a person they can't fight and protect the freedoms of myself and/or my family because of their sexual preference. To me it is not a big deal not to mention some of the toughest guys I have ever met have been gay.

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    It looks like Cheney supports this as well.

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/politi...l.html?showall

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    I think Cheney's daughter is gay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    I think Cheney's daughter is gay.
    So you think he would jepordize national security just because his daughter is gay? Or perhaps he sees this as a change whose time has come because society has changed.
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    actually i don't think it is Cheney's daughter, i thought it was McCains daughter.....or do they both have gay daughters?

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    I just looked it up to be sure and Cheney's daughter is gay. I think McCain's daughter is just ditzy but she could be gay, too. I couldn't find anything saying she was though.

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