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  1. #46

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    The silly thing is it should not matter what you did behind closed doors. We do not kick men out for doing it with their wives or their girlfriends, if we did then it would be equal treatment. Until we do we need to change the silly rule.

  2. #47

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ground&Pound View Post
    According to its language, DADT prevents each service member from:...(3) or ?marr[ying] or attempt[ing] to marry a person known to be of the same biological sex.? 10 U.S.C. ? 654(b)(1)-(3).
    With the legalization of gay marriage in several states, does this mean that the military is no longer allowed to ask service members if they are married? if so how are they supposed to deal with survivor benefits?
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  3. #48

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    Quote Originally Posted by FloggingSully View Post
    With the legalization of gay marriage in several states, does this mean that the military is no longer allowed to ask service members if they are married? if so how are they supposed to deal with survivor benefits?
    Sully, Sully, Sully. Re-read your question. If you are not allowed to be openly gay in the military how could anyone who is already married to someone of the same sex even going to get in? The military wouldn't have to ask a "service member" because it is public knowledge. It would come up when they run your social security number before you ever entered. If you get married to someone of the same sex while serving in the military, it is the same thing as telling them that you are gay. They wouldn't have to deal with survivor benefits because it wouldn't come up.

  4. #49

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    They will have to after the policy is changed which it will be after this review. And if I am not mistaken, they have suspended the policy until after the review so at this point they would be able to get in as well. Which of course only makes sense since it is a silly policy to begin with.

  5. #50

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    I am not doubting that this law will be changed, I just don't agree with it. Also, Sparky, doesn't congress have to change it? I don't think that this is something Obama or any one person can do alone. If it does have to go through congress, then I don't think it will be changed anytime soon.

  6. #51

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    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    I am not doubting that this law will be changed, I just don't agree with it. Also, Sparky, doesn't congress have to change it? I don't think that this is something Obama or any one person can do alone. If it does have to go through congress, then I don't think it will be changed anytime soon.
    Here it is. It will change very very soon, only needs a true majority, 51 votes in the Senate. Done deal.

    On Tuesday, in the first Congressional hearing on the issue in 17 years, Mr. Gates and Admiral Mullen will unveil the Pentagon?s initial plans for carrying out a repeal, which requires an act of Congress. Gay rights leaders say they expect Mr. Gates to announce in the interim that the Defense Department will not take action to discharge service members whose sexual orientation is revealed by third parties or jilted partners, one of the most onerous aspects of the law. Pentagon officials had no comment.

  7. #52

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    BTW quinn, since when have you been against a person's civil rights. Why should one person be discriminated against to prevent him from doing something simply because of his sexual orientation. I bet you were against desegregating the armed services too? One and the same thing you know.

  8. #53

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    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    Sully, Sully, Sully. Re-read your question. If you are not allowed to be openly gay in the military how could anyone who is already married to someone of the same sex even going to get in?
    If gay people who are married aren't let in they someone who is already gay married wouldn't be able to get in. My question was, if the military isn't allowed to ask someone if they are gay, or inquire about their sexuality, then asking about somone's marrital status would be asking them if they are gay. Since the military can't ask someone if they are gay, they can't ask if they are married.

    Unless you argue that looking into someone's marital status isn't asking them if they're gay, then stating you marital status wouldn't be telling. It goes both ways.
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  9. #54

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    Quote Originally Posted by coachsparky View Post
    BTW quinn, since when have you been against a person's civil rights. Why should one person be discriminated against to prevent him from doing something simply because of his sexual orientation. I bet you were against desegregating the armed services too? One and the same thing you know.
    It is not one and the same. Those are two clearly different issues. Not understanding that they are two different issues is what is clogging a lot of people's thought processes. To think that openly gay men wouldn't harm the military is naive. I've said it before, and you can think otherwise, but I am realistic. In the middle of two wars, do you really want to see how soldiers react to openly gay men? These soldiers are under enough pressure without the added element that they may need to curb their "locker room talk" because some gay man may find it offensive. In peace times, I'm sure it will get passed. But right now, I don't think so. And I don't believe it should.

    Sully, the military doesn't have to ask if you are married. It comes up when you sign up. They run background checks on everyone and your social security number will reveal whether you are married or not and to whom. And since you aren't in the military yet, that isn't protected by don't ask, don't tell.

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