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    Aren't sexual harassment policies already in place in the military?

    If a man, woman, straight or gay crosses that line then it should be dealt with. But, what a person does behind closed doors with another consenting adult is no one's business.

  2. #38

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ground&Pound View Post
    Aren't sexual harassment policies already in place in the military?

    If a man, woman, straight or gay crosses that line then it should be dealt with. But, what a person does behind closed doors with another consenting adult is no one's business.
    AGREED!!!! The last line pretty much sums it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ground&Pound View Post
    Aren't sexual harassment policies already in place in the military?

    If a man, woman, straight or gay crosses that line then it should be dealt with. But, what a person does behind closed doors with another consenting adult is no one's business.
    I agree. What you do behind closed doors is no one else's business. So, if I don't ask what you do, don't tell me.

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    But if a person is accused, he/she should have to lie?

    What if a man gets emails, or letters from another man? If he is asked, "are you gay?", does he have to lie?

    Straight men/women can put up pictures of girlfriends/boyfriends, but gays cannot. Why? Because it alludes to what they do in private? That doesn't make sense.

    We waste millions of dollars in training people only to kick them out because of their sexuality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ground&Pound View Post
    But if a person is accused, he/she should have to lie?

    What if a man gets emails, or letters from another man? If he is asked, "are you gay?", does he have to lie?

    Straight men/women can put up pictures of girlfriends/boyfriends, but gays cannot. Why? Because it alludes to what they do in private? That doesn't make sense.

    We waste millions of dollars in training people only to kick them out because of their sexuality.
    I don't think he would have to lie about any of it. The military isn't allowed to ask in the first place. That means you don't have to answer it. And this is like the third time that someone has mentioned a picture. Can you show me a case where someone was kicked out because of a picture and NOT because he told people that it was his boyfriend? Again, they don't have to answer if asked and the military should be in trouble for asking in the first place. If they do answer then they probably wanted out anyway.

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    It is really just plain silly that there is such a policy. Let us get rid of it and make a sane policy that regardless of sexual orientation you can serve. Just makes sense, this whole discussion is just plain stupid.

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    I don't understand why there's such a fuss about guys in the military. There have always been guys in the military. In fact, except for a few women, dogs and carrier pigeons, the military is just about all guys. I think . . .

    That's gays in the military. Gays.

    Oh, that's very different. Nevermind.
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    http://www.nyclu.org/content/nyclu-s...-ask-dont-tell

    Imagine hesitating every time a fellow service member asks about weekend plans. Imagine not being able to commit legally to your partner without fear of losing your career. Imagine not being able to enroll the child you adopted with your same-sex partner on your health care plan without fear of discovery. Imagine not being able to name your same-sex partner as a recipient on your life insurance without inviting scrutiny. Imagine not being able to have a picture of your family on your desk at work. The simplest, seemingly innocent act can spell discharge for the gay service member; their service mandates the sacrifice of silence.

    Kathi Westcott & Rebecca Sawyer, Silent Sacrifices: The Impact of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” on Lesbian and Gay Military Families, 14 Duke J. Gender L. & Pol’y 1121, 1121-22 (2007)2.

    According to its language, DADT prevents each service member from: (1) “engag[ing] in, attempt[ing] to engage in, or solicit[ing] another to engage in a homosexual act;” (2) “stat[ing] that he or she is a homosexual or bisexual, ... unless ... the member has demonstrated that he or she is not a person who engages in, attempts to engage in, has a propensity to engage in, or intends to engage in homosexual acts;” (3) or “marr[ying] or attempt[ing] to marry a person known to be of the same biological sex.” 10 U.S.C. ? 654(b)(1)-(3). The policy is allegedly based on the need to achieve unit cohesion because some service members might be homophobic3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ground&Pound View Post
    http://www.nyclu.org/content/nyclu-s...-ask-dont-tell

    Imagine hesitating every time a fellow service member asks about weekend plans. Imagine not being able to commit legally to your partner without fear of losing your career. Imagine not being able to enroll the child you adopted with your same-sex partner on your health care plan without fear of discovery. Imagine not being able to name your same-sex partner as a recipient on your life insurance without inviting scrutiny. Imagine not being able to have a picture of your family on your desk at work. The simplest, seemingly innocent act can spell discharge for the gay service member; their service mandates the sacrifice of silence.

    Kathi Westcott & Rebecca Sawyer, Silent Sacrifices: The Impact of ?Don?t Ask, Don?t Tell? on Lesbian and Gay Military Families, 14 Duke J. Gender L. & Pol?y 1121, 1121-22 (2007)2.

    According to its language, DADT prevents each service member from: (1) ?engag[ing] in, attempt[ing] to engage in, or solicit[ing] another to engage in a homosexual act;? (2) ?stat[ing] that he or she is a homosexual or bisexual, ... unless ... the member has demonstrated that he or she is not a person who engages in, attempts to engage in, has a propensity to engage in, or intends to engage in homosexual acts;? (3) or ?marr[ying] or attempt[ing] to marry a person known to be of the same biological sex.? 10 U.S.C. ? 654(b)(1)-(3). The policy is allegedly based on the need to achieve unit cohesion because some service members might be homophobic3.
    Thank you Ground & Pound. You have seen the light and proved my point. No one is getting kicked out because of a picture. It is acts that you do that have to be proved you did. If it is behind closed doors, no one knows. It even gives an out to someone who did say it, which you aren't supposed to do in the first place. Unless, of course, the military proved to be too hard and you were looking for a way out anyway.

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