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    Admits to using steroids, also adds that water is wet.
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    I am glad he finally admitted that he used steroids!! I also think he should be in the hall of fame but I don't think he ever will be.

    The reason I think he should be in the Hall is not only because he was a great player but because between him and Sosa they pretty much saved baseball after the strike. Yes, baseball would have eventually game back but that race meant so much to the game.

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    He was an all star but not a Hall of Famer before he started bulking up. With this logic it makes sense to keep him out and let Barry Bonds & A-Rod in. Whether or not to let admitted/accused /assumed steriod users in the HOF is a tough question.

    I think the whole savings basball HR race between McGwire and Sosa leaves many of us extra bitter now that we know they were on steroids. It is like dating a really hot girl and remembering it fondly and then finding out she was cheating on you the whole time with your best friend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ODH View Post
    He was an all star but not a Hall of Famer before he started bulking up. With this logic it makes sense to keep him out and let Barry Bonds & A-Rod in. Whether or not to let admitted/accused /assumed steriod users in the HOF is a tough question.

    I think the whole savings basball HR race between McGwire and Sosa leaves many of us extra bitter now that we know they were on steroids. It is like dating a really hot girl and remembering it fondly and then finding out she was cheating on you the whole time with your best friend.
    This makes NO sense to me. How do you know when A-Rod and Barry Bonds started taking steroids. Maybe Bonds was on steroids his whole career. There are plenty of guys who were on the juice who you'd look at and never guess. What about guys in the '60, 70's, and '80's. Steroids were around back then. It's now widely acknowledged that the Steelers were using them in the '70's. How do we know none of the baseball guys weren't using them back then. More importantly, why wouldn't they use them? In that time period, it's all gain, no risk. The media coverage is nowehere near as tough back then, the writers might as well have been friends with the players.

    Bottom line, it's ridiculous to keep players out of the Hall of Fame for something you can't quantify, something that wasn't cheating when it was done, especially when the Hall of Fame is filled with terrible people who also cheated. Phil Niekro threw a spit ball and is remembered fondly. Ty Cobb was a bigot who fought and slid with his spikes up. All the guys before 1950 had the benefit of not having to face African Americans. It's BS to keep the "Steroid Guys" out. Baseball had the opportunity to police itself, it didn't. You can't go back in time an penalize people retroactively.
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    I don't think there is an easy way to decide who makes it and who doesn't. But looking at McGwire (and Sosa) they were very good players that somewhat suddenly started having Hall of Fame seasons. My guess is that a lot of that is due to steriod use. I don't see how you reward a player for steroid use.

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    I also think Jim Rice made was voted into the HOF last year, becasue he is thought to be clean and his numbers are no longer compared to the sluggers of the "steroid era"

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    Quote Originally Posted by ODH View Post
    I don't think there is an easy way to decide who makes it and who doesn't. But looking at McGwire (and Sosa) they were very good players that somewhat suddenly started having Hall of Fame seasons. My guess is that a lot of that is due to steriod use. I don't see how you reward a player for steroid use.
    Firstly, it's been pretty much agreed that McGwire's rookie season, when he hit a rookie record 49 HR's, was clean, so I'm not sure that he wasn't a "HOF player before steroids". Regarding Rice, how do we know he wasn't on steroids? That's my point. Steroids became a newspaper talking point in the late 1990's, but they were around a lot longer then that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ODH View Post
    I think the whole savings basball HR race between McGwire and Sosa leaves many of us extra bitter now that we know they were on steroids.
    At least it was fair :P

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    when i think about the McGwire and Sosa race I don't think about the roids but the exictment of coming back to my dorm room to see if one them hit one. There are so many people in the HOF that cheated or took drugs. in the 30's-60's (if i remember correctly) a lot of players took speed among other drugs that are now illegal....hell we gave it to our soldiers and JFK was hooked on it.

    Pitchers that spit on the ball and scuffed the ball are in the hall. I am not saying cheating is good but holding a couple people at a higher level i don't think is right. McGwire was one of the best players of his generation both before and during his steroid use.

    I see the otherside too but this is the opinion i have settled on

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