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    With the actions of the major at fort hood and his pending trial, the military is faced with a tough situation. The military wants to accept everyone based on their word and clean background check but now that this has happened they might have to profile Muslim applicants. After the bombing of pearl harbor we know that Japanese Americans served in the military and the history channel has a story about that coming up, but we also confined them to internment camps in order to keep anything happening fro the inside. One difference that I see is that those Japanese were probably committed to the United states over Japan, I dont believe they felt allegiance to Japan. With Muslims their faith is number one priority like all other religions. The difference being that the extreme Islamic view could lead to acts like what happened at fort hood. Their could also be the attempt by Islamic extremist to plant moles or martyrs in the military to carry out these acts. Consider that this could be a real threat, the reaction of other service men might not be so kind to Muslim soldiers.

    In light of these events should we profile Muslim applicants to the military or go further and no allow them to serve in order to avoid the threat. Or should we do nothing?

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    We probably need them in the military. If they can speak arabic and look like other muslims in Afghanistan or Iraq, it might help with relations over there. We definitely need to do background checks, but I don't know how you could stop a mole if he/she really wants to get in there. I also don't know how you could keep other soldiers from feeling uncomfortable around them and maybe lashing out. It's a very complicated issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    We probably need them in the military. If they can speak arabic and look like other muslims in Afghanistan or Iraq, it might help with relations over there. We definitely need to do background checks, but I don't know how you could stop a mole if he/she really wants to get in there. I also don't know how you could keep other soldiers from feeling uncomfortable around them and maybe lashing out. It's a very complicated issue.
    Very good point. In combat, you are totally dependent on your teammates. When that relationship breaks down, the unit becomes ineffectual. One of MAJ Hassan's supervisors made the comment that Hassan "wasn't someone you wanted with you in your foxhole." That is the greatest insult you can say about a soldier.

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    This is a good topic. We need to have the balls to admit one thing. We are at war with an extremist ideology based on muslim faith. This is no secret. Yet we have to feel like bigots for suggesting that we second guess a muslim that joins our forces. Its a tough subject for sure.
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    We need to be wary of extremists of any faith. Some extreme Christian sects are very troublesome.
    I don't know if there is a large percentage of US Muslims that could be classified as extremists. If so, there might be some justification for more in depth background checks. However, MAaj. Hassan seemed to be an outright nutjob that didin't need any reak in depth investigation to uncover that he was a threat and unfit to serve.
    Instead of a knee-jerk reaction against Muslims, it makes more sense more the military to investigate how such an obvious case could not have any action taken against him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ODH View Post
    We need to be wary of extremists of any faith. Some extreme Christian sects are very troublesome.
    I don't know if there is a large percentage of US Muslims that could be classified as extremists. If so, there might be some justification for more in depth background checks. However, MAaj. Hassan seemed to be an outright nutjob that didin't need any reak in depth investigation to uncover that he was a threat and unfit to serve.
    Instead of a knee-jerk reaction against Muslims, it makes more sense more the military to investigate how such an obvious case could not have any action taken against him.

    Yeah, lets have the military uses their psychologists to evaluate them. Wait, what if the psychologists are the nut jobs...
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    ACLU will surely call racial profiling if any sort of extra background checks were to be ordered. We all know it's needed, but like leglace said, no one will have the balls to do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UGLY View Post
    The military wants to accept everyone based on their word and clean background check but now that this has happened they might have to profile Muslim applicants.
    How do they know which applicants are muslim and which aren't?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FloggingSully View Post
    How do they know which applicants are muslim and which aren't?
    They ask what religion you practice so they can put it on your dogtags.
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