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    Quote Originally Posted by UGLY View Post
    Islamic terrorist have committed multiple attacks on America.

    Do you mind being unreasonably searched at the airport, do you mind mid. eastern people being profiled at the airport? Was it completely wrong for us to round up the Japanese after Pearl Harbor? These are precautions that we can live with for a short while until we are mostly beyond the threat.
    There are lots of bad people out there that are capable of violent acts. Most of these people are criminals/nutjobs. I don't think just because someone is a Muslim we should treat them different.
    If they are a member of a terrorists organization, which I guess includes any type of organized crime, like the Mafia, there are special laws to prosecute them.

    I am irritated by the extra searches at the airport and mostly because of cost/timing reasons. I don't think it is a unreasonable violation of my privacy to be searched. I have read that the extra sercurity measures are completly useless as far as increasing sercurity (the article referred to them as "security theater", staged just to make people feel better)

    I used to fly somehwat frequently and was never worried about airplane hijackings/bombings. I oppose profiling dark skin / Middle Eastern people for extra searches. I do not feel threatened by somebody just becasue of their ehtnicity/religion.

    I think locking up American citizens (Japanese-Americans in WWII) in interrment camps was wrong and the US government agrees with me and has paid restitution to those families. I don't believe there has ever been any evidence of any real threat from Japanese-American. I think it was a case of ouright racism. Why weren't German-Americans locked up? I know in the late thirties there were active German-American groups who were strongly supporting Nazi Germany.

    Finally I think the threat of terrorism will never go away. We will be dealing with it forever, so I do not think short term radical solutions will help.

    I don't understand why anyone, especially Conservatives, would be so willing to let big government come in and take away rights. There seems to be a trade-off between sercurity and freedom, and I would have thought conservative would have favored increased freedom.

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    You have no right to be in the military

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    You also have not right to ride the bus, but that doesn't mean it's not a violation of people's right to tell them they can't because of their religion or skin color.
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    You also dont have access to sensitive material and weapons on a bus so I dont find that argument to be persuasive.

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    Well, you could highjack the bus and crash it into something, which would make the bus a weapon...

    But the point was, that just because there isn't a specific law that gives you the right to X, doesn't mean that taking X away from a group of people because of their race or religion isn't a violation of their rights.
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    Not to make things any foggier, but felons aren't allowed to own guns. It doesn't stipulate that the felon had to have committed a gun crime. Seems like a violation of rights to me, but cooler heads prevailed on this one and everyone agreed that we didn't want someone walking out of prison and legally buying a gun. So why can't cooler heads prevail and just do extra background checks on muslims? If we can all agree that felons are more likely to misuse a gun, why can't we agree that muslims are more likely to attack military personnel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    Not to make things any foggier, but felons aren't allowed to own guns. It doesn't stipulate that the felon had to have committed a gun crime. Seems like a violation of rights to me, but cooler heads prevailed on this one and everyone agreed that we didn't want someone walking out of prison and legally buying a gun.
    I don't believe there is any law that says you have the right not to be discriminated against based on your criminal history.

    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    So why can't cooler heads prevail and just do extra background checks on muslims? If we can all agree that felons are more likely to misuse a gun, why can't we agree that muslims are more likely to attack military personnel?
    1) Because you have the right not be be discriminated against based on your religion and 2) How do you know who's muslim and who isn't? 3) How do we know that muslims are more likely to attack military personel? because 1 muslim did?
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    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    Not to make things any foggier, but felons aren't allowed to own guns. It doesn't stipulate that the felon had to have committed a gun crime. Seems like a violation of rights to me, but cooler heads prevailed on this one and everyone agreed that we didn't want someone walking out of prison and legally buying a gun. So why can't cooler heads prevail and just do extra background checks on muslims? If we can all agree that felons are more likely to misuse a gun, why can't we agree that muslims are more likely to attack military personnel?
    The difference is that a felon has done something illegal to "earn" the extra attention. A muslim has not.

    Still not sure where I stand on the issue of extra profiling for muslims (or people of middle eastern descent, might be more feasible) but the felon argument isn't a good one IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FloggingSully View Post
    I don't believe there is any law that says you have the right not to be discriminated against based on your criminal history.


    1) Because you have the right not be be discriminated against based on your religion and 2) How do you know who's muslim and who isn't? 3) How do we know that muslims are more likely to attack military personel? because 1 muslim did?
    We are talking about "groups" of people. Felons are groups. If they are American then they do have the right to bear arms. The constitution doesn't mention felons. That came up LONG afterwards when people decided that they didn't want felons owning guns. If someone can show me where it says that criminals can't own guns in the Constitution, then I will back off of this argument.

    You are not supposed to be able to discriminate against someone for their religion. If that was universally applied, then I wouldn't have said what I did. But christians can't even pray at school, while muslims get some sort of foot washing thing at entrances to the University of Michigan.

    How do you know who is muslim or not? People who attend mosques are muslim. And believe me, it isn't that hard to find out who does.

    How do we know that muslims are more likely to attack military personel? Because they proudly call for it!!!! Every muslim in the Middle East is taught to attack our military. Don't act like you don't know this. It is common knowlegde and you can look it up on the internet. This clip is even from MSNBC not Fox News, so I think it's obvious. If I found it on the internet then so can muslims in America. The message has been sent.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6obQ5naNn0

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