kr1963

I gave you 5 court cases you give some whacked out woman's blog to discredit someone. Hmm who should I believe....?

Apparently as long as someone has something bad to say about religion or people with spiritual beliefs you are all eaten up with it aren't you? Actually I do notice that as all as someone has something negative to say, you are their biggest fan.

I can't wait to see what you say when the appeals court overturns the lower court verdict, ("those upper court morons don't know what they are talking about!" is what I am expecting to pour out of your mouth.)

As far as TIME goes, I guess all that "stuff" about being a "money making cult" got thrown out the window by the IRS in 1993. That's a fact & your opinion won't change that at all.

It all comes down to you reveling in religious persecution. THAT tells me all I need to know about you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology

In 2000, the Italian Supreme Court ruled that Scientology is a religion for legal purposes.^[72][73] In recent years, religious recognition has also been obtained in a number of other European countries, including Sweden,^[8][74] Spain,^[74][75] Portugal,^[76] Slovenia,^[74] Croatia^[74] and Hungary,^[74] as well as Kyrgyzstan^[77] and Taiwan.^[8]

Describing the variety of scholarly opinions in existence, David G. Bromley and Douglas E. Cowan stated in 2006 that "Overall, however, most scholars have concluded that Scientology falls within the category of religion for the purposes of academic study, and a number have defended the Church in judicial and political proceedings on this basis.

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kr1963

And again you are sadly misinformed regarding the oft cited but never actually said quote....

The Church of Scientology denounces the idea of Hubbard starting a religion for personal gain as an "unfounded rumor."^[190] The Church also suggests that the origin of the "rumor" was a quote by George Orwell which had been "misattributed" to Hubbard. Robert Vaughn Young, who left the Church in 1989 after being its spokesman for twenty years, suggested that reports of Hubbard making such a statement could be explained as a misattribution of Orwell, despite having encountered three of Hubbard's associates from his science fiction days who remembered Hubbard making statements of that sort in person.^[191] It was Young who by a stroke of luck came up with the "Orwell quote": "... but I have always thought there might be a lot of cash in starting a new religion, and we'll talk it over some time..." It appears in a letter by George Orwell (signed Eric Blair) to a friend Jack Common, dated 16-Feb-38 (February 16, 1938), and was published in Collected Essays, Journalism and Letters of George Orwell, vol. 1.^[192] In 2006.

The bottom line is that verdict in the french court is being appealed. In addition it is just more attempts by those who are losing ground in this world, to fuel another round of religious persucution. It's happened in history before & it is happening again.

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My own feeling is that it is not crazy enough.
Niels Bohr

rustyshackleford

Whacked out woman's blog? Really? I didn't see that. Thanks for bumping this to the top again. And, one more time, those other court cases don't refute the known cases of your cult bilking people out of their money. Not a surprise from a religion started by a drug addict, compulsive liar, who actually said that the best way to make money was to start a religion.

rustyshackleford

Also, funny how someone who believes this is calling someone else "whacked out." Since you are comfortable trusting wikipedia to convey your beliefs, I thought I would post this. I bolded my favorite part, about how, even though this is supposedly sacred doctrine, one has to pay thousands of dollars to hear it. Doesn't sound like a scam to me at all. As the guys from South Park said, below is what Scientologists actually believe...

Hubbard wrote that Xenu was the ruler of a Galactic Confederacy seventy-five million years ago, which consisted of 26 stars and 76 planets including Earth, which was then known as "Teegeeack".[5][10][17] The planets were overpopulated, with an average population of 178 billion.[1][4][6] The Galactic Confederacy's civilization was comparable to our own, with aliens "walking around in clothes which looked very remarkably like the clothes they wear this very minute" and using cars, trains and boats looking exactly the same as those "circa 1950, 1960" on Earth.[18]
Xenu was about to be deposed from power, so he devised a plot to eliminate the excess population from his dominions. With the assistance of psychiatrists, he summoned billions[4][5] of his citizens together under the pretense of income tax inspections, then paralyzed them and froze them in a mixture of alcohol and glycol to capture their souls. The kidnapped populace was loaded into spacecraft for transport to the site of extermination, the planet of Teegeeack (Earth).[5] The appearance of these spacecraft would later be subconsciously expressed in the design of the Douglas DC-8, the only difference being: "the DC8 had fans, propellers on it and the space plane didn't."[15] When they had reached Teegeeack/Earth, the paralyzed citizens were unloaded around the bases of volcanoes across the planet.[5][10] Hydrogen bombs were then lowered into the volcanoes and detonated simultaneously.[10] Only a few aliens' physical bodies survived. Hubbard described the scene in his film script, Revolt in the Stars:
Simultaneously, the planted charges erupted. Atomic blasts ballooned from the craters of Loa, Vesuvius, Shasta, Washington, Fujiyama, Etna, and many, many others. Arching higher and higher, up and outwards, towering clouds mushroomed, shot through with flashes of flame, waste and fission. Great winds raced tumultuously across the face of Earth, spreading tales of destruction...
– L. Ron Hubbard, Revolt in the Stars[9]
The now-disembodied victims' souls, which Hubbard called thetans, were blown into the air by the blast. They were captured by Xenu's forces using an "electronic ribbon" ("which also was a type of standing wave") and sucked into "vacuum zones" around the world. The hundreds of billions[5][19] of captured thetans were taken to a type of cinema, where they were forced to watch a "three-D, super colossal motion picture" for thirty-six days. This implanted what Hubbard termed "various misleading data"' (collectively termed the R6 implant) into the memories of the hapless thetans, "which has to do with God, the Devil, space opera, et cetera". This included all world religions, with Hubbard specifically attributing Roman Catholicism and the image of the Crucifixion to the influence of Xenu. The two "implant stations" cited by Hubbard were said to have been located on Hawaii and Las Palmas in the Canary Islands.[20]
In addition to implanting new beliefs in the thetans, the images deprived them of their sense of personal identity. When the thetans left the projection areas, they started to cluster together in groups of a few thousand, having lost the ability to differentiate between each other. Each cluster of thetans gathered into one of the few remaining bodies that survived the explosion. These became what are known as body thetans, which are said to be still clinging to and adversely affecting everyone except those Scientologists who have performed the necessary steps to remove them.[10]
A government faction known as the Loyal Officers finally overthrew Xenu and his renegades, and locked him away in "an electronic mountain trap" from which he still has not escaped.[7][21][17] Although the location of Xenu is sometimes said to be the Pyrenees on Earth, this is actually the location Hubbard gave elsewhere for an ancient "Martian report station".[22][23] Teegeeack/Earth was subsequently abandoned by the Galactic Confederacy and remains a pariah "prison planet" to this day, although it has suffered repeatedly from incursions by alien "Invader Forces" since that time.[5][24][25]
In 1988, the cost of learning these secrets from the Church of Scientology was £3,830, or US$6,500.[26][12] This is additional to the cost of the prior courses which are necessary to be eligible for OT III, which is often well over US$100,000 (roughly £60,000).[7] Belief in Xenu and body thetans is a requirement for a Scientologist to progress further along the Bridge to Total Freedom.[27] Those who do not experience the benefits of the OT III course are expected to take it (and pay for it) again.[21]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu

rustyshackleford

In case you don't feel like reading the above.

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/104274

rustyshackleford

"The way to make a million dollars is to start a religion." -L Ron Hubbard.

About the quote:

To summarize: we have nine witnesses: Neison Himmel, Sam Merwin, Sam Moskowitz, Theodore Sturgeon, Lloyd Arthur Eshbach, Harlan Ellison, and the three unnamed witnesses of Robert Vaughn Young. There is some confusion and doubt about one of them (Sam Moskowitz). Two are reported via Russel Miller: one is reported via Mike Jittlov: one reported in his autobiography; one reported in an affidavit; and one reported to me in person. The reports describe different events, meaning that Hubbard said it perhaps six times, in six different venues - definitely not just once. And the Church's official disclaimer is now reportedly a flat lie.

Conclusion: He definitely said it more than once.

http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/s....religion.html

I'll leave it to everyone to make their own decision on the matter. Certainly interesting that multiple people heard him say it multiple times, though.

kr1963

This is just an old attempt at slander. You are like one of those people who listen to lies long enough that they believe. And I can tell from what you write & post that you want to expect the worst of people & can't stand it when people are being helped.

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My own feeling is that it is not crazy enough.
Niels Bohr

kr1963

Here is a copy of the magazine Scn published in response to Time's article:
http://picclick.com/Everything-Else/...403919728.html

In addition the Church placed color full-page ads in USA Today in May and June 1991, on every weekday for 12 weeks, protesting the Time magazine cover. The Two official Church of Scientology responses were titled "Facts vs. Fiction: A Correction of Falsehoods Contained in the May 6th 1991 Issue of Time Magazine", and "The Story That Time Couldn't Tell" as I posted a link to above. Prior to the advertising campaign, Scientologists distributed the 88-page bound "The Story That Time Couldn't Tell" booklet which disputed points from Time's article.

The "Fact vs. Fiction" piece was a quarter-inch thick booklet, which criticized Time's article and asserted it's article omits the information on the dozens of community service programs conducted by Scientologists which have been acknowledged by community officials".

One of the advertisements in USA Today showed how Time promoted Adolf Hitler and Nazi Germany, and featured a 1936 issue of Time which had Hitler's picture on the front cover. The Church of Scientology sent out a news release condemning Time's "horrible history of supporting fascism," and said that the article was written because Time had been pressured by "vested interests".

It also showed the link between Eli Lily & Nazi chemical firm I. G. Farben. Farben created the nerve gas, Zyklon, that was used in Hitler's "Final Solution". The formula was used to create highly addictive & deadly painkiller drugs like darvocet.

(More can read about how Big Pharma operates by rading what former Pfizer VP Peter Rost has to say:
http://litigationconsultant.blogspot.com/
or
http://www.gwenolsen.com/
Gwen is former Pharma sales rep who states that Big Pharma has a policy to try & discredit the Church of Scientology in any way they can.)


Heber Jentzsch, President of Church of Scientology, released a 4 page news release which stated "Advertising is the only way the church could be assured of getting its message and its side of the story out to the public without the same vested interests behind the Time article distorting it".

After the advertising run critiquing Time magazine in USA Today had completed, the Church mounted a public relations campaign about Scientology in USA Today, in June 1991. Scientology placed a 48-page advertising supplement in 1.8 million copies of USA Today. In a statement to the St. Petersburg Times, Scientology spokesman Richard Haworth explained "What we are trying to do is put the actual facts of Dianetics and Scientology out there".

In February 1992, Church leader David Miscavige gave Ted Koppel his 1st interview on Scientology on the ABC News program Nightline. Miscavige explained that the first 3 weeks of the advertising campaign was meant to correct falsehoods from the Time article, and the rest of the 12 week campaign was dedicated to informing the public about Scientology. Koppel asked Miscavige what specifically had upset him about the Time article, and Miscavige called Behar "a hater".

Miscavige noted that Behar had written an article on Scientology and the IRS 3 years before he began work on the Time piece, and made allegations that Behar had attempted to get two Scientologists kidnapped. When Koppel questioned Miscavige further on this, Miscavige said that individuals had contacted Behar after an earlier article, and Behar had told them to "kidnap Scientologists out". Koppel pressed further, noting that this was a serious charge to make, and asked Miscavige if his allegations were accurate, why he had not pressed charges for attempted kidnapping. Miscavige said Koppel was "missing the issue," and said that his real point was that he thought the article was not an objective piece.

Miscavige alleged on Nightline that the article itself was published from a request by Eli Lilly, due to "the damage we had caused to their killer drug Prozac". Miscavige stated that "Eli Lilly ordered a reprint of 750,000 copies of Time magazine before it came out."

Time nor Eli Lily never sued the church over anything published in USA Today, "Facts vs. Fiction: A Correction of Falsehoods Contained in the May 6th 1991 Issue of Time Magazine" "The Story that Time couldn't tell" nor what was said on ABC's Nightline, as they knew that what was in the article was true. They didn't even raise a finger.

So as you stated before you believe the Time article as all of the libel suits were thrown out but on the other hand when the church presented "their case" to the public, those opponents of Scientology didn't even bring Scientology to court.

Isn't that interesting. I wonder why.

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The question which divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct.
My own feeling is that it is not crazy enough.
Niels Bohr

rustyshackleford

This is the funniest post I've ever read here. Honestly. You believe is that an intergalactic warlord named Xenu killed millions of alien creatures in volcanoes and their souls now infect us, but I listen to lies and believe them too much. Thanks for the bump to the top. This is too entertaining.

rustyshackleford

None of that changes the fact that your sci fi cult robbed the people in that article. It just changes the subject. Again, I'm not dumb enough to take the bait. Now I see where you get you MO. How much do you have to pay to get the lessons in subterfuge? Whatever it is, you should demand a refund because you're not very good at it.