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    As far as the Time case, your people sued for libel, and the case was thrown out. Ignoring that fact doesn't mean it isn't true. As far as the France case, your people were found guilty. Keep posting, though, if you haven't noticed the more you post the more people see how full of shit you are.

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    In France the ruling is going to an appeals court. That is the subject f this thread. That conviction will most likely be overturned. The prejudice of the French & German governments is not unknown.

    If you want to name court cases there are plenty in which Scientology has won against religious persecution.

    In 1965 the courts in Australia ruled against the Church of Scientology however in 1983 the High Court of Australia dealt with the question whether the Church of Scientology is a religious institution. They ruled unanimously that Church of Scientology is indeed a religious institution & is recognized as such.

    There is aslo the case of the European High Court claiming that the Churches rights were violated in Russia:

    http://www.bonafidescientology.org/r...05231532521.vm

    Or in Germany as well:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/press...009+BW20090302

    or in Spain:

    http://www.freedommag.org/english/ca...4i1/page07.htm

    Or In Italy:

    http://www.cesnur.org/testi/scient_oct2000.htm

    Or in France:

    http://www.cesnur.org/testi/scient_EU_en.htm

    If I am full of $hit then apparently all these other courts are full of it as well. The very reason for the attacks against Scientology is simply that it continues to grow & step on the toes of the vested interests.

    You appareantly are incapable of looking at that.

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    You say it will be overturned. That is simply an opinion. Fact is that the church itself was found guilty. Fact, not opinion. Just like its a fact that Time could substantiate, in court, calling scientology a money making cult. Fact, again. None of those other cases negate the stories that prove your 'religion' to be nothing more than a money-grabbing scam of a cult. I don't give a shit what other court cases you've found yourself in (strange how no other religion finds themselves in court so much isn't it?), it doesn't erase the facts. What I do like is that you are keeping this thread at the top of the queue. I mean, your prophet actually said this:

    `Writing for a penny a word is ridiculous, If a man really wanted to make a million dollars, the best way to do it would be start his own religion.' -L. Ron Hubbard

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    You wanna tell me all this isn't true either, I bet. If anyone wants a laugh, this is good for one. Hard to believe a man like this could be behind a cult....

    http://www.cracked.com/article_16337...ientology.html
    Last edited by rustyshackleford; 11-04-2009 at 10:37 PM.

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    I gave you 5 court cases you give some whacked out woman's blog to discredit someone. Hmm who should I believe....?

    Apparently as long as someone has something bad to say about religion or people with spiritual beliefs you are all eaten up with it aren't you? Actually I do notice that as all as someone has something negative to say, you are their biggest fan.

    I can't wait to see what you say when the appeals court overturns the lower court verdict, ("those upper court morons don't know what they are talking about!" is what I am expecting to pour out of your mouth.)

    As far as TIME goes, I guess all that "stuff" about being a "money making cult" got thrown out the window by the IRS in 1993. That's a fact & your opinion won't change that at all.

    It all comes down to you reveling in religious persecution. THAT tells me all I need to know about you.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology


    In 2000, the Italian Supreme Court ruled that Scientology is a religion for legal purposes.<sup id="cite_ref-71" class="reference">[72]</sup><sup id="cite_ref-intronew185_72-0" class="reference">[73]</sup> In recent years, religious recognition has also been obtained in a number of other European countries, including Sweden,<sup id="cite_ref-DHDavis_7-1" class="reference">[8]</sup><sup id="cite_ref-Monde_73-0" class="reference">[74]</sup> Spain,<sup id="cite_ref-Monde_73-1" class="reference">[74]</sup><sup id="cite_ref-74" class="reference">[75]</sup> Portugal,<sup id="cite_ref-75" class="reference">[76]</sup> Slovenia,<sup id="cite_ref-Monde_73-2" class="reference">[74]</sup> Croatia<sup id="cite_ref-Monde_73-3" class="reference">[74]</sup> and Hungary,<sup id="cite_ref-Monde_73-4" class="reference">[74]</sup> as well as Kyrgyzstan<sup id="cite_ref-Kyr_76-0" class="reference">[77]</sup> and Taiwan.<sup id="cite_ref-DHDavis_7-2" class="reference">[8]</sup>

    Describing the variety of scholarly opinions in existence, David G. Bromley and Douglas E. Cowan stated in 2006 that "Overall, however, most scholars have concluded that Scientology falls within the category of religion for the purposes of academic study, and a number have defended the Church in judicial and political proceedings on this basis.

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    And again you are sadly misinformed regarding the oft cited but never actually said quote....

    The Church of Scientology denounces the idea of Hubbard starting a religion for personal gain as an "unfounded rumor."<sup id="cite_ref-189" class="reference">[190]</sup> The Church also suggests that the origin of the "rumor" was a quote by George Orwell which had been "misattributed" to Hubbard. Robert Vaughn Young, who left the Church in 1989 after being its spokesman for twenty years, suggested that reports of Hubbard making such a statement could be explained as a misattribution of Orwell, despite having encountered three of Hubbard's associates from his science fiction days who remembered Hubbard making statements of that sort in person.<sup id="cite_ref-The_Church.27s_War_190-0" class="reference">[191]</sup> It was Young who by a stroke of luck came up with the "Orwell quote": "... but I have always thought there might be a lot of cash in starting a new religion, and we'll talk it over some time..." It appears in a letter by George Orwell (signed Eric Blair) to a friend Jack Common, dated 16-Feb-38 (February 16, 1938), and was published in Collected Essays, Journalism and Letters of George Orwell, vol. 1.<sup id="cite_ref-191" class="reference">[192]</sup> In 2006.

    The bottom line is that verdict in the french court is being appealed. In addition it is just more attempts by those who are losing ground in this world, to fuel another round of religious persucution. It's happened in history before & it is happening again.

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    Whacked out woman's blog? Really? I didn't see that. Thanks for bumping this to the top again. And, one more time, those other court cases don't refute the known cases of your cult bilking people out of their money. Not a surprise from a religion started by a drug addict, compulsive liar, who actually said that the best way to make money was to start a religion.

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    Also, funny how someone who believes this is calling someone else "whacked out." Since you are comfortable trusting wikipedia to convey your beliefs, I thought I would post this. I bolded my favorite part, about how, even though this is supposedly sacred doctrine, one has to pay thousands of dollars to hear it. Doesn't sound like a scam to me at all. As the guys from South Park said, below is what Scientologists actually believe...

    Hubbard wrote that Xenu was the ruler of a Galactic Confederacy seventy-five million years ago, which consisted of 26 stars and 76 planets including Earth, which was then known as "Teegeeack".[5][10][17] The planets were overpopulated, with an average population of 178 billion.[1][4][6] The Galactic Confederacy's civilization was comparable to our own, with aliens "walking around in clothes which looked very remarkably like the clothes they wear this very minute" and using cars, trains and boats looking exactly the same as those "circa 1950, 1960" on Earth.[18]
    Xenu was about to be deposed from power, so he devised a plot to eliminate the excess population from his dominions. With the assistance of psychiatrists, he summoned billions[4][5] of his citizens together under the pretense of income tax inspections, then paralyzed them and froze them in a mixture of alcohol and glycol to capture their souls. The kidnapped populace was loaded into spacecraft for transport to the site of extermination, the planet of Teegeeack (Earth).[5] The appearance of these spacecraft would later be subconsciously expressed in the design of the Douglas DC-8, the only difference being: "the DC8 had fans, propellers on it and the space plane didn't."[15] When they had reached Teegeeack/Earth, the paralyzed citizens were unloaded around the bases of volcanoes across the planet.[5][10] Hydrogen bombs were then lowered into the volcanoes and detonated simultaneously.[10] Only a few aliens' physical bodies survived. Hubbard described the scene in his film script, Revolt in the Stars:
    Simultaneously, the planted charges erupted. Atomic blasts ballooned from the craters of Loa, Vesuvius, Shasta, Washington, Fujiyama, Etna, and many, many others. Arching higher and higher, up and outwards, towering clouds mushroomed, shot through with flashes of flame, waste and fission. Great winds raced tumultuously across the face of Earth, spreading tales of destruction...
    ? L. Ron Hubbard, Revolt in the Stars[9]
    The now-disembodied victims' souls, which Hubbard called thetans, were blown into the air by the blast. They were captured by Xenu's forces using an "electronic ribbon" ("which also was a type of standing wave") and sucked into "vacuum zones" around the world. The hundreds of billions[5][19] of captured thetans were taken to a type of cinema, where they were forced to watch a "three-D, super colossal motion picture" for thirty-six days. This implanted what Hubbard termed "various misleading data"' (collectively termed the R6 implant) into the memories of the hapless thetans, "which has to do with God, the Devil, space opera, et cetera". This included all world religions, with Hubbard specifically attributing Roman Catholicism and the image of the Crucifixion to the influence of Xenu. The two "implant stations" cited by Hubbard were said to have been located on Hawaii and Las Palmas in the Canary Islands.[20]
    In addition to implanting new beliefs in the thetans, the images deprived them of their sense of personal identity. When the thetans left the projection areas, they started to cluster together in groups of a few thousand, having lost the ability to differentiate between each other. Each cluster of thetans gathered into one of the few remaining bodies that survived the explosion. These became what are known as body thetans, which are said to be still clinging to and adversely affecting everyone except those Scientologists who have performed the necessary steps to remove them.[10]
    A government faction known as the Loyal Officers finally overthrew Xenu and his renegades, and locked him away in "an electronic mountain trap" from which he still has not escaped.[7][21][17] Although the location of Xenu is sometimes said to be the Pyrenees on Earth, this is actually the location Hubbard gave elsewhere for an ancient "Martian report station".[22][23] Teegeeack/Earth was subsequently abandoned by the Galactic Confederacy and remains a pariah "prison planet" to this day, although it has suffered repeatedly from incursions by alien "Invader Forces" since that time.[5][24][25]
    In 1988, the cost of learning these secrets from the Church of Scientology was ?3,830, or US$6,500.[26][12] This is additional to the cost of the prior courses which are necessary to be eligible for OT III, which is often well over US$100,000 (roughly ?60,000).[7] Belief in Xenu and body thetans is a requirement for a Scientologist to progress further along the Bridge to Total Freedom.[27] Those who do not experience the benefits of the OT III course are expected to take it (and pay for it) again.[21]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu
    Last edited by rustyshackleford; 11-05-2009 at 09:09 PM.

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    In case you don't feel like reading the above.

    http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/104274

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