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    .My "government programs for the poor" comment was probably an oversimplificatiion. The province I live in just cut a bunch of funding for at-risk children which, in addition to costing me my job, screwed over a lot of kids I know personally. Also means that some very hard-working friends need to go on EI until they find another job (I was lucky enough to do so).

    I realize that there is a bit of a paradox to supporting both fiscal conservatism and social programs. In an ideal world, there would be a happy medium between "massive deficit" and "unleashing mentally ill teenagers on society". I'm sure that many governments are working hard on trying to find social programs that help the needy without coddling the lazy, and do so in an efficient manner. Just don't see it from our own provincial gov't at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmyFan View Post
    If you look at survey data, Obama is the most polarizing President in history, I believe.

    The measurement I've seen is the % of the population who "strongly approve" or "strongly disapprove" of the President. The sum of those two numbers is higher than any other President in history, I believe.

    He may not be trying to divide this country but he is doing so by his policies, rhetoric, etc.
    When a partisan says something like this, I automatically discard it. Of course this is what a partisan would say about the opposition.

    We have always had partisanship but I think we have been an entirely partisan country for almost a generation. Unlike in the past (like what Washington warned about), when news and events took weeks, and months, and emotions could cool down in a slower world, today you get this divide pretty much 24/7, with celebrities/news commentators stoking the partisan fires daily. This is part of our culture now. Because of this I would suggest we have about 70% or so of people (the partisans on both sides) who despise each other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sgallan View Post
    When a partisan says something like this, I automatically discard it. Of course this is what a partisan would say about the opposition.

    We have always had partisanship but I think we have been an entirely partisan country for almost a generation. Unlike in the past (like what Washington warned about), when news and events took weeks, and months, and emotions could cool down in a slower world, today you get this divide pretty much 24/7, with celebrities/news commentators stoking the partisan fires daily. This is part of our culture now. Because of this I would suggest we have about 70% or so of people (the partisans on both sides) who despise each other.
    I have no idea what you're suggesting by "partisanship". The data clearly suggests Obama is the most polarizing (maybe divisive is another term) President in recent history. He campaigned as a unifier and he has definitely unified the Dems and Republicans against each other. His attempts to "reach across the aisle" are a joke. There's nothing middle of the road about this guy. He and the other Dems will continue to write legislation and pass it without the public ever having access to view it. Had the public seen either the stimulus bill or energy bill, neither would have passed.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...040703378.html

    http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1178/pol...roval-historic

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    Quote Originally Posted by arm-spin View Post
    .My "government programs for the poor" comment was probably an oversimplificatiion. The province I live in just cut a bunch of funding for at-risk children which, in addition to costing me my job, screwed over a lot of kids I know personally. Also means that some very hard-working friends need to go on EI until they find another job (I was lucky enough to do so).

    I realize that there is a bit of a paradox to supporting both fiscal conservatism and social programs. In an ideal world, there would be a happy medium between "massive deficit" and "unleashing mentally ill teenagers on society". I'm sure that many governments are working hard on trying to find social programs that help the needy without coddling the lazy, and do so in an efficient manner. Just don't see it from our own provincial gov't at the moment.
    I agree with what you're saying. The problem is that coddling the poor and raising welfare checks get the poor to the voting booths. If you want to get re-elected then you have to at least try and coddle almost everyone. I agree that mentally and physically handicapped need help, though. If there were term limits like maybe two terms tops, then I think politicians might really try and do what they know is best instead of just doing what is best to get them elected.

    I think the guy I'm thinking of is Arlen Spector. Anyway, some politician in Pennsylvania has switched parties two or three times. If he thinks he can get elected with an (R) after his name on the ballot then he says he's a republican. If the (D) will do the job then he switches to democrat. Apparently the voters in his district aren't paying attention because he keeps getting elected. That is a prime example of a politician who is in it for the wrong reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmyFan View Post
    I have no idea what you're suggesting by "partisanship". The data clearly suggests Obama is the most polarizing (maybe divisive is another term) President in recent history. He campaigned as a unifier and he has definitely unified the Dems and Republicans against each other. His attempts to "reach across the aisle" are a joke. There's nothing middle of the road about this guy. He and the other Dems will continue to write legislation and pass it without the public ever having access to view it. Had the public seen either the stimulus bill or energy bill, neither would have passed.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...040703378.html

    http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1178/pol...roval-historic
    In todays toxic 24/7 political climate there is nobody who could be a "uniter". The opposition will always despise each other, and demonize each other. There is no such thing as 'change' in this regard, I don't care who is running. It would have been the same had McCain won..... or anybody for that matter. When it comes to politics Americans don't really like each other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sgallan View Post
    In todays toxic 24/7 political climate there is nobody who could be a "uniter". The opposition will always despise each other, and demonize each other. There is no such thing as 'change' in this regard, I don't care who is running. It would have been the same had McCain won..... or anybody for that matter. When it comes to politics Americans don't really like each other.
    Only one difference. If McCain would have one the democratic congress and republican president would have had to work together to get anything done, creating a more balanced approach to new legislation IMO.

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    That's a nice thought, Ugly. The fact is that was how it was from 06-08 and the democratic congress made sure that a republican president would get nothing done. Everyone on the democratic side blamed Bush, but fact is, he couldn't do anything because of the congress. He got stuff done with a republican congress, which is why he got re-elected, but nothing the last two years.

    Obama has the backing of the congress now and is doing what he wants. If conservatives get to the booths for the next election and take over congress, the last two years of his presidency will be a stalemate. Just like Bush's was. McCain's presidency would have started in a stand-still. Sad but true.

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    The 'Uniter' ?; perhaps he's uniting those '57' States he talked about a year ago. http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY#t=28

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