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    Funny thing is I don't care about sides. There is no representative for conservatives. Republicans and democrats are both gangs. They are probably having martinis with one another laughing their asses off on their days off. Sort of like the sheep dog and the coyote in the road runner. However, their are 2 lines of thinking in this country. Those who believe in conservative philosphies in the role of government and those with the liberal philosophies in the role of government. And neither side has a true representative because each party whores their votes to the highest bidder.

    Now what I worry is that we are divided by a new mentality of us and them that we have never seen before. To the point that our republic falls in shambles. We are about due for some unity. But I am seeing it drift further and further.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    I agree with you, too Leglace. Another sad truth is that people like Washed up have already taken sides in a civil war that isn't even being fought. People like him are convinced that whatever party he belongs to is ALWAYS right. Politicians can see this sort of warped mind and they play to it. As long as they have mindless minions like Washed up ready to spread whatever message they want spread, then politicians will continue to act like this. It isn't right to divide the country like this, but until people, like Washed up, are able to think for themselves then this wil be our new America.

    I suggest term limits for all people in congress, and forget the pension and lifetime healthcare for them. If they have to actually live in the America that they create, then maybe they will start to work together. Not sure who would do all of Washe up's thinking for him, though. Maybe Bill Mahr or Micheal Moore?
    A little obsessed there my little minion?

    Go back to your little fox news and stay pissed off 24/7. Maybe you and chance can get a room and watch it together?

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    Quote Originally Posted by leglace View Post
    Funny thing is I don't care about sides. There is no representative for conservatives. Republicans and democrats are both gangs. They are probably having martinis with one another laughing their asses off on their days off. Sort of like the sheep dog and the coyote in the road runner. However, their are 2 lines of thinking in this country. Those who believe in conservative philosphies in the role of government and those with the liberal philosophies in the role of government. And neither side has a true representative because each party whores their votes to the highest bidder.

    Now what I worry is that we are divided by a new mentality of us and them that we have never seen before. To the point that our republic falls in shambles. We are about due for some unity. But I am seeing it drift further and further.

    To muddy the waters further, how about people who have both traditionally conservative and liberal beliefs? I'm not American so I guess it doesn't rreally matter, but my beliefs range the spectrum neatly from left-to-right. To give just a few examples: I am generally in favor of government programs protecting the less fortunate, I am pro-life, I support a moderate amount of gun control, I am apathetic to gay marriage, I think the US government is spending way too much money, I spport the war in Afghanistan. I think that economic and environmental problems should be attacked with practical, rather than ideological, concerns in mind.

    Does this make me left-wing? Right wing? Surely there are people with varying viewpoints such as myself who don't neatly fit into "Liberal" or "Conservative". Who represents people such as myself?

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    Now what I worry is that we are divided by a new mentality of us and them that we have never seen before. To the point that our republic falls in shambles. We are about due for some unity. But I am seeing it drift further and further.
    Just wanted to point out that George Washington said the exact thing about 220+ years ago when the Federalists and the Republicans were tearing each other new ones over how the Constitution should be interpreted. Washington thought political parties would be the ruin of this country, as well.

    While the tactics are different with the advent of television, cable news, the internet, etc., the result is the same - politicians getting a segment of the population to support them on some issues, not so much on other issues....

    Politics is a dirty business - as always has been. If you think somehow the founding fathers were more more moral or intelligent, I would point out that they were banging other women ( including their slaves) quite frequently. They just didn't have people trying to track down every indiscretion to expose them.
    Your ignorance is painful to witness.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by arm-spin View Post
    To muddy the waters further, how about people who have both traditionally conservative and liberal beliefs? I'm not American so I guess it doesn't rreally matter, but my beliefs range the spectrum neatly from left-to-right. To give just a few examples: I am generally in favor of government programs protecting the less fortunate, I am pro-life, I support a moderate amount of gun control, I am apathetic to gay marriage, I think the US government is spending way too much money, I spport the war in Afghanistan. I think that economic and environmental problems should be attacked with practical, rather than ideological, concerns in mind.

    Does this make me left-wing? Right wing? Surely there are people with varying viewpoints such as myself who don't neatly fit into "Liberal" or "Conservative". Who represents people such as myself?
    Excellent point you brought up Arm Spin!

    We can not all fit into a such a narrow category. We all have are different beliefs. Politicians have turned certain hot buttons into automatic party line classifications. This is what they want. The republicans (Rove) really screwed things up when they targetted the religious right. While it got the job of getting Bush 1 elected, it tainted the party for a decade. There is much to discuss when it comes to politics.

    Unfortunately politicians have turned politics into one of the best & stable industries. Its a business. The worse the country does, the more they rake in. Think about who benefits when both sides are feuding. Media(big time) cashes in. Bloggers are now being paid to voice opinions. Imagine being paid to talk about wrestling! Fundraisers become subsidized smear campaigns. Lobbyists are waiting in line to place their orders. Its ridiculus. How do politicians who have never ran a business, make $200k a year, show millions in the bank. Hmmm, campain contributions? Abyhow, this is nothing you didn't already know. I may just be venting.

    Anyhow, politicians want people classified by life vs pro-life, gun vs gay marriage, and global warming vs defending our borders. They don't want you discussing the real issues as it pertains to the role of governemtn. Arm Spin mentioned that he believes in government programs for the poor as if that is a party line issue. The real issue is what government and how. State or federal, short term or long term. There is much to discuss.

    Anyhow, I am getting a bit long winded. I enjoy talking about beliefs. But I really am genuinely afraid that our government is going to just go rogue and act on their belief that they know whats better for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black-n-Red View Post
    Just wanted to point out that George Washington said the exact thing about 220+ years ago when the Federalists and the Republicans were tearing each other new ones over how the Constitution should be interpreted. Washington thought political parties would be the ruin of this country, as well.

    While the tactics are different with the advent of television, cable news, the internet, etc., the result is the same - politicians getting a segment of the population to support them on some issues, not so much on other issues....

    Politics is a dirty business - as always has been. If you think somehow the founding fathers were more more moral or intelligent, I would point out that they were banging other women ( including their slaves) quite frequently. They just didn't have people trying to track down every indiscretion to expose them.
    Your right its a dirty business and has been.

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    If you look at survey data, Obama is the most polarizing President in history, I believe.

    The measurement I've seen is the % of the population who "strongly approve" or "strongly disapprove" of the President. The sum of those two numbers is higher than any other President in history, I believe.

    He may not be trying to divide this country but he is doing so by his policies, rhetoric, etc.

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    I have never seen a president make so many devisive "off the cuff" comments before. And its been less than a year. I mean like, "those who were responsible for this mess (imo democrats and republicans) need to shut up or get out of the way".

    I like the guy as someone I could relate more with. He talks more like me. W Bush was similar as he seemed very approachable. However, Obama is much more condescending.

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    arm-spin, you sound like you have the same problem that most people have. It is very rare that anyone really believes one party platform verbatim. That is when you have to prioritize what is most important. If fiscal conservatism is most important then I suggest republican or libertarian. If you think environmental things and gun control is most important, go democrat.

    Something I don't understand from what you wrote is that you said you are in favor of government programs protecting the less fortunate, but then said the US government is spending way too much money. I think Benjamin Franklin said it best when he said that making poverty uncomfortable is the best way to cure the problem. Don't know the exact quote, but that's what he meant. Less fortunate should protect themselves. Welfare has become a condition passed from one generation to the next. So giving them money is part of the problem with the US gov. spending too much money.

    Washed up, I did go after you on that last reply, but I am not mad about anything. You call people names and try to belittle people in a whole lot of your responses. I was trying to make you see how dumb it makes you look. No one is going to take you serious when you call them dickhead or batshit crazy. It makes you sound like a 12-year old who is getting picked on in the school yard and have decided to hide behind a computer to call people names. Seriously, try to debate your points without the name calling and people might start to respect your opinion.

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