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    Default Robert Greene on Republican Neuroticism

    http://www.powerseductionandwar.com/...h_law_pt.phtml

    I don't necessarily agree with everything that Greene has written here, but I found it an interesting read regardless.

    Actions designed to curry favor with the base at the expense of alienating critical portions of the electorate
    This part however I agree with wholeheartedly.

    Its one of the main problems that I personally have with the Republican party as I do tend to lean right, but not to the point of being part of the "base" and if it keeps up I don't see things getting better for them irregardless of what Obama does or doesn't do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JensenS View Post
    http://www.powerseductionandwar.com/...h_law_pt.phtml

    I don't necessarily agree with everything that Greene has written here, but I found it an interesting read regardless.



    This part however I agree with wholeheartedly.

    Its one of the main problems that I personally have with the Republican party as I do tend to lean right, but not to the point of being part of the "base" and if it keeps up I don't see things getting better for them irregardless of what Obama does or doesn't do.

    I agree with that statement also but is it better to pander to a base or to fake going to the middle and then returning hard to your side of the aisle once elected?

    I think what he said applies to both parties especially when the other is in power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UGLY View Post
    I agree with that statement also but is it better to pander to a base or to fake going to the middle and then returning hard to your side of the aisle once elected?
    If you're only trying to get elected I would figure it would serve you best to fake going to the middle and then trust on your base to come out anyway.

    I think the point was though that you're best served doing neither one of those options and instead evolving your message to where your base is still satisfied but you're reaching a wider variety of people.

    There can be a Republican party that still advocates principles of smaller government and fiscal responsibility without handcuffing themselves to the religious right and alienating groups outside of the "base".

    Quote Originally Posted by UGLY View Post
    I think what he said applies to both parties especially when the other is in power.
    I can definitely agree with that, and Greene actually alludes to that in the piece.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JensenS View Post
    If you're only trying to get elected I would figure it would serve you best to fake going to the middle and then trust on your base to come out anyway.

    I think the point was though that you're best served doing neither one of those options and instead evolving your message to where your base is still satisfied but you're reaching a wider variety of people.

    There can be a Republican party that still advocates principles of smaller government and fiscal responsibility without handcuffing themselves to the religious right and alienating groups outside of the "base".



    I can definitely agree with that, and Greene actually alludes to that in the piece.

    I hear what you are saying and I believe that future of the republican party needs to be moved forward on the economic, domestic and foreign diplomacy that does not scream we are pandering to Christians, even though I am a Christian. They need to let all people see that their positions on issues will work to help everyone instead of alienating themselves.

    Now when it comes to senate or house elections they can be hard left or right depending on who they are representing in their district or state, but that makes it harder for them to work together.

    This whole mess would have been avoided if we could have seen what Hamilton was talking about in federalist 7 I believe. On one hand Hamilton said that faction or parties would be the downfall of this form of government, he is right. He would go on to say that faction would also be inevitable in this form of government. So we are in a self defeating struggle right now.

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    Will we ever get back to a time when ideas were advanced because the person advancing that idea believed it was right and not because in contradicted the other party. I suspect that we will not see any type of truth in government as long as people have to pander to big money to get elected and also to the media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UGLY View Post
    I hear what you are saying and I believe that future of the republican party needs to be moved forward on the economic, domestic and foreign diplomacy that does not scream we are pandering to Christians, even though I am a Christian. They need to let all people see that their positions on issues will work to help everyone instead of alienating themselves.

    Now when it comes to senate or house elections they can be hard left or right depending on who they are representing in their district or state, but that makes it harder for them to work together.

    This whole mess would have been avoided if we could have seen what Hamilton was talking about in federalist 7 I believe. On one hand Hamilton said that faction or parties would be the downfall of this form of government, he is right. He would go on to say that faction would also be inevitable in this form of government. So we are in a self defeating struggle right now.
    Good post Ugly. I'll admit I didn't read the article (too long) but I like what you are saying.

    I find it quite ironic- I was flipping through one of Philip Yancey's books the other day (he's one of the most sucessful evangelical Christian authors) and he was also worried about Christians becoming too involved with the Republican Party, for opposite reasons. He thought that Christanity (as opposed to conservatism) was suffering from becoming too politicized. Christianity, according to Yancey, is about giving up yourself to serve God and others, whereas politics is largely about aquiring power. The two don't go well together; both church and state suffer.

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