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    http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2009..._can_pull.html

    This was posted in the thread I posted about Whole Foods Ceo john mackey's health care plan. In it Roger Ebert gives his views on health care from an emotional viewpoint not a political one. It was all fine and good but then towards the end he pulls from the scripture in an attempt to show those Christians who are against this plan that they should be for it because of what their religion says. To me it seems cheap and wrong to do so. If you dont believe in Christ nor do you want Christian views forced on you and you dont want our elected representatives to have their faith influence them in their legislative or executive decisions, then dont attempt to sway us with religion. If you would like religion or faith to play a role in the decision making then get on board with all of the religious views. If you think it is alright to say Christianity is good when it helps the homeless then it is good when it protects unborn life.

    Dont ask me to infuse my religious beliefs in one instance and then dismiss them in another.

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    I can't speak for Roger Ebert but I think the words of Christ are good, period.
    We would do well to listen to them.


    Is Roger Ebert asking you to dismiss your religious beliefs when it comes to the abortion debate? Unless he does, I'm not sure the criticism in valid.

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    It is not so much that he personally said it. He is agnostic or atheist and is attempting to use someones faith as a tool to sway them to his POV. Essentially he is calling them hypocrites for not wanting this Obama care. My main criticism is to those even on this board who dislike religion and want it to play no part in our government or in the minds of those who govern but then attempt to sway you with religion when it suits them. They dont do it in a sarcastic way but in a way, which I would be fine with. They do it in a serious way and then out of the other side of their mouth they will say religion has no place in government. That to me is hypocritical and offensive really. As I said before if you want faith to play a role in certain decisions then you should be fine with it playing a role in all decisions, not just when it suits your needs.

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    While it is hypocritical I suppose as long as one side can be hypocrites, then why not the otherside? I think the abortion analogy was a good one
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    Maybe what Ebert wanted to say was that religion shouldn't play a part in decisions that affect all of us, but if you do choose to take a stand based on religion, here's what your religion really says. Anyway, thanks, Ugly, for excluding me from your criticism. I do agree with you that it's infair to invoke religion only when it suits you.

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    You can't read the Bible if you're Agnostic? I think that with all Ebert has been through in the past few years, he has probably thought pretty hard about his religious views. He has a point and you should consider it.
    PS - If you believe EVERYTHING in the Bible and don't pick and choose what parts to live by, I hope you're not wearing any cotton/poly clothes today.
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    Perhaps this is a hihack, but what do Ugly- and other Christians or people interested in Christianity- make of the Bible story Ebert posted? Not the most comforting passage of scripture. It's difficult theologically because we (protestant Christians) generally think of heaven and hell as being determined by faith or non-faith rather than by our actions. It's disturbing personally because- honestly- how often do we really take care of "the least of these"?

    Anyways, I'd be interested in people's thoughts.

    PS Ebert may be an agnostic, but he has a pretty good grasp of- and respect for- Christian teachings and morals in a lot of his writings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BonnieJ2 View Post
    PS - If you believe EVERYTHING in the Bible and don't pick and choose what parts to live by, I hope you're not wearing any cotton/poly clothes today.
    That reminds me of this letter that has been around the net for awhile now.....

    Dear Dr. Laura,
    Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's law. I have learned a great deal from you, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.

    When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. How should I deal with this?

    I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as it suggests in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

    I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

    Lev. 25:44 states that I may buy slaves from the nations that are around us. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans but not Canadians. Can you clarify?

    I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

    A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 10:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

    Lev. 20:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

    I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.
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    Nice, Scott. I'm wondering if that verse about the clothing of mixed fibers means that I'll rot in hell if I wear 100% cotton clothing, but my underwear have elastic in them.

    Sorry to digress.

    I consider myself pretty much of an agnostic and it's not so much God or the Bible that I have a problem as it is the church, both in modern day and in history. I think the Bible has a lot of good things to say. A few weeks ago, I was riding in the car with my 18 year old and someone on the radio said something about "casting the first stone". We talked about the story and agreed that the Bible had a lot of good things to say to us even today. We try to do what's right and good and leave the world a better place for everyone.

    I don't understand how so many who consider themselves Christian can be so selfish and hateful and greedy, but since I'm not perfect either I guess I can't throw that first stone.
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