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    Quote Originally Posted by mhs189 View Post
    The didn't get convicted because they're Ray Lewis and Kobe Bryant.
    Lewis arranged a plead agreement because he knew he was guilty.

    No that is not what happened. As I stated earlier the victim in the Kobe Bryant case refused to testify and their were questions about her promiscuity, case dismissed. Ray Lewis plead to obstruction and then testified against his co-defendants who were later acquitted of the charges. Which basically means they could not prove anything. They would have prosecuted Ray Lewis if they had any evidence that he had done it.

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    The only profession I know that is that forgiving is Congress. If you have felonies you cant be a police officer. IF you desert the military they will not let you back in. Certain occupations do not care that you served your time, tehy dont want criminals working for them. I am not saying it is right but as it stands they have the right to refuse to hire former criminals, it is not a right to get your job back after you have been in prison.

    I agree that pets are not on the same plain as humans.
    I have no problem with what you saying. What I should have said is "by the standards of the NFL, as shown by their willingness to employ other convicted criminals, Micheal Vick is eligible to get his job back". Do I think he should be allowed to work with dogs? No.

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    Vick has already served more jail time than almost anyone else who gets convicted of animal cruelty. I never was a of fan and think dog fighting is despicable, but I also believe in second chances and rehabilitation, so he deserves another shot.

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    Vick has already served more jail time than almost anyone else who gets convicted of animal cruelty. I never was a of fan and think dog fighting is despicable, but I also believe in second chances and rehabilitation, so he deserves another shot.
    I agree he does deserve a second chance. He made a very big mistake but one he can learn from.

    Although correct me if i'm wrong but wasn't part of the time due to the illegal gambling?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mhs189 View Post
    Even though I don't understand why this is under politics&religion, here are my thoughts;

    Ray Lewis murdered someone.
    Kobe Bryant raped a woman.
    Dante Stallworth killed a man.
    Everyone hates Vick.

    Why does everyone else get by with out raised concern yet Vick is the most hated man
    in America? I just don't get it. The man did his time, and he deserves a second chance.

    If you had the best thing in your life taken away from you for one mistake you made,
    wouldn't you be dying for a second chance? I think so.

    Besides, to the gen pop, dog fighting seems like a horrible thing to do. But to Vick,
    he grew up with it, it's in his culture. To him, it's just another hobby or sport. Some
    say, "Well, he may have grown up in it, but he could have gotten out whenever
    he wanted." Not really, he was so deep into the business that he would have been
    murdered or had his family harmed if he had just up and decided to quit.

    I think he deserves a second chance and as soon as he throws 3k yards and 20 TDs
    with another 800yd rushing and 5TDs, everyone will forget this ever happened.

    Nobody knows if Ray killed that woman, including you.
    If you think that Kobe raped that woman, you are naive. She was a gold digging opportunist, no different than the casino worker in Reno with Roethlisberger.

    You're too young to be this jaded against the legal system. While good attorneys help a lot, being a celebrity isn't a guaranteed not guilty.

    I don't think everyone hates mike vick. I know I don't. He screwed up, but paid a VERY large price, he went bankrupt, did 18 months in jail.

    He paid his price in full. He is an example of his celebrity status hurting his cause. The legal system made an example of him, by giving him nearly the maximum penalty. Whereas Stallworth killed a man and left him to die and didn't do a month.

    People make mistakes, and I really think he'll turn his life around.
    To avoid criticism say nothing, do nothing, be nothing.

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    I think PETA will still make a lot of noise over this -they are a strong organization and they have boycotted some businesses out of business .
    I am far from a tree hugger -i.e.-if one spotted owl is putting 10,000 lumberjacks out of work -I would gladly shoot the owl and stop the arguement .

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    The one area where I take issue is when people try to compare what Vick did with Stallworth.

    Stallworth went out drinking, got a hotel room to sleep it off, then got up and didn't realize he was still drunk and tried to drive home. A man ran out into the street and he hit the man. Called 911 when it happened and admitted his guilt immediately.

    That's what I would consider a mistake, or a one time lack of judgement.

    Vick bought dogs, trained dogs, built training and housing facilities for dogs, killed multiple dogs by electrocution, strangulation, drowning, and once threw his pet house dog into the pit with a fighting dog just to watch the fighting dog rip it to shreds. He traveled multiple times across state lines to bet on, and place dogs in fights. All of this happening over a number of years.

    Folks, that's not a temporary lack of judgement. That's not a "mistake". That is willfully and intentionally breaking many laws and a taking joy and satisfaction from breaking those laws.

    I'm not saying that killing dogs is worse than killing people. Far from it. What I'm saying is that a temporary lack of judgement that results in a tragedy is completely different from an ongoing willful act of breaking multiple laws that result in the death of an animal, and an ongoing willful act of killing some of those animals with your own hands.

    I think that the punishment for both men fits the crime.
    Last edited by therick; 08-19-2009 at 08:51 AM.

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    I know dog fighting is illegal, but what exactly is the law on killing your own dogs? I know my grandpa shot several of his own dogs when they were getting too old and sick instead of taking themto the vet to be euthanized. He was a farmer and that was what was done in those days. I also vagely remember hearing about a court case where someone killed his dog with a baseball bat. His defense was that he was legally allowed to kill his own animal, whereas the prosecution charged that the method of killing was painful and thereful illegal.

    Anyone know what the law is on these kinds of matters?

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    Most of the time Mike did was because he financed and was an integral part of a multi state illegal betting ring, in addition to the illegal sport of dog fighting.

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