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    Quote Originally Posted by ODH View Post
    Interesting for constitutional purist (I believe that is an accurate description of your beliefs) to find a right to an education. Of course I agreee with you.

    As far as people breaking the law, no one is arguing that they should not be punished, but is incarceration the best way to punish / reform drug offenders?
    Looking at the costs and benefits to our society, there has to be a better way.
    I believe in it only because without it we can not be equal. Without equal opportunity we can not have any sort or equality. I believe that falls in line with what our founders believed. A lack of education is a way to suppress lower income people.

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    There is a system in one of the Scandanavian countries (Sweden or Switzerland I think) where everyone is required to buy insurance (sold by private insurers) to cover some basic level of care (that level is determined by the government), but the insurance companies are not allowed to make a profit from their sales of this baseline insurance).
    Maybe Switzerland, but certainly not Sweden. Sweden has an employment tax of about 60% of your gross to fund their social medicine. It covers both occupational and non-occupational injury and illness The gov can recoup occupational injury / illness medical costs from the employer.
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    I believe in it only because without it we can not be equal. Without equal opportunity we can not have any sort or equality. I believe that falls in line with what our founders believed. A lack of education is a way to suppress lower income people.
    I agree with you 100%, it is just not a right guaranteed by the constitution.
    So would you be OK with judges making a ruling in favor of the "right" to a quality education?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ODH View Post
    I agree with you 100%, it is just not a right guaranteed by the constitution.
    So would you be OK with judges making a ruling in favor of the "right" to a quality education?


    If by quality you mean school choice, then yes. Allow a voucher program so that parents can choose the best school for their kids and raise the standards of our public schools. Lengthen the school year with smaller breaks to assist in retention. Also as I mentioned before I would be for some type of free higher education, or trade education.

    I dont think the system as it stands right now is anywhere near good enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UGLY View Post
    If by quality you mean school choice, then yes. Allow a voucher program so that parents can choose the best school for their kids and raise the standards of our public schools. Lengthen the school year with smaller breaks to assist in retention. Also as I mentioned before I would be for some type of free higher education, or trade education.

    I dont think the system as it stands right now is anywhere near good enough.
    Two points for me to make:
    It appears that you would favor a "constitutional revisionist" where it suits your sense of justice (education isright)

    Second, I, in general, do not believe we have a major issue with our schools.
    Inner city schools, of course, have all sorts of problems. But the middle and upper class in general go to adequate to excellent schools. Poverty is a problem and I don't have a solution to it, we are deceived by reports of "schools failing our children". the fact that we don't test as well as many other countries should not be the ultimate measure of our schools.

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    I agree with ODH,

    The problems and solutions concerning public education vary a great deal though out the country and even within local regions.

    There is no one size fits all fix. Many schools are doing just fine.

    I think this one is best left to state or local reform as opposed to federal legislation.

    Also, throwing money at poor schools isn't the final solution.

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    "It appears that you would favor a "constitutional revisionist" where it suits your sense of justice (education isright)"


    I am not a constitutional revisionist in any sense. If a better education was in violation in some way of what the constitution said then I would be against it. I would want to see the constitution amended. But like I said I think education is part and parcel to equality, which is an inalienable right.

    I agree it belongs with the states. We saw in DC that a voucher system can work. It does not overhaul the current system it just gives parents a chance to get their kids to a school that is doing good work and out of the ones that are not. I also agree more money is not the solution.

    One problem is and I always say it, the union. We cant have a longer school day or longer school year because they have a contract that gives them summer vacation. From what I have seen they are not willing to give that up.

    I think that we can all agree that no matter what everything starts at home. Whether that is health or education, social behavior ect. Until people start taking an interest in the way their kids are educated there will not be a change. I understand that some are struggling just to have food to eat or a place to sleep. In that case we need to see a step up in mentors to bridge a gap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UGLY View Post
    I believe in it only because without it we can not be equal. Without equal opportunity we can not have any sort or equality.
    If we didn't have public education, everyone would still have the same opportunity, they'd all be able to purchase education provided they could afford it. Just like everyone now has the same opportunity to purchase healthcare.
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    One problem is and I always say it, the union. We cant have a longer school day or longer school year because they have a contract that gives them summer vacation. From what I have seen they are not willing to give that up.
    I'm calling BS right there. Only a conservative would try to lay all the problems of one profession on the dreaded "union". Damn Bolsheviks, anyways.

    In case you've never thought this through, there are plenty of people who don't want to change the school year above and beyond the teacher's union.

    Like parents of school age kids.

    Like any industry that depends on seasonal help from teen-agers i.e. landscaping, tourism, agriculture.
    Your ignorance is painful to witness.....

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