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    Clone I did not give you the "white man is suffering" argument. I gave you the " racism is not a valid argument whenever a minority feels they are being wronged" argument. Racism is a serious accusation and I would hope that someone would have concrete proof and would have seen a pattern of racist acts from an individual before asserting that person was a racist. I believe racism to be a crutch to minorities and the more they use it the weaker it gets. It is like the boy who cried wolf and one day when real violent racism rears its vile head nobody will come running.

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    "Nope. But I'm still looking for the memo, in which you acknowledge the existence of racism. We know only YOU can validate this, white man, for we know you are the King of the world and the arbiter of all things involving race. Let us know if O'Reilly reveals the memo on tonight's show, okay?"

    OK, don't get hysterical. Racism exists, but I disagree with your definition. Racism has nothing to do with power, or perceived inequities in power level. Blacks, Asians, and other races can be just as racist as an average white guy. Racism is hatred for another race, in my book.

    I really just posted the thread because I love to see people instinctively defend Gore. It's ok if he has a huge house, it's ok if he slobs down the last piece of Chilean Sea Bass, etc... I guess the only thing that would tick off a Gore fan is if he clubbed a bunch of baby seals while wearing fur and carrying an unregistered firearm.

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    Racism has nothing to do with power, or perceived inequities in power level.

    That's fine for a white boy to say. You are it. You are the king of the world and don't let anyone tell you anything different.

    Blacks, Asians, and other races can be just as racist as an average white guy.

    White boy sufferin'. Oh the pain! I cry about it every night. Surrounded by all those racist blacks and Asians. Why, I lost a job just the other week, my landlord kicked me out because he wanted to rent to a Mexican, and someone of color failed to kiss my ass when I walked into their store. Now, that's what I call racism!

    Racism is hatred for another race, in my book.

    Pretty simple. We'll let you write the memo so no one will be troubled by anything complicated. Take it easy on us white guys, though. You know how tough our life is already.

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    I really just posted the thread because I love to see people instinctively defend Gore.

    That's rather bright of you. Hey, that must mean you are right, and everyone who "defends Gore" is wrong. That's pretty funny, I'd say--I mean, that there are so many wrong people out there who would fall into your trap and make fools of themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matclone View Post
    Racism has nothing to do with power, or perceived inequities in power level.

    That's fine for a white boy to say. You are it. You are the king of the world and don't let anyone tell you anything different.

    Blacks, Asians, and other races can be just as racist as an average white guy.

    White boy sufferin'. Oh the pain! I cry about it every night. Surrounded by all those racist blacks and Asians. Why, I lost a job just the other week, my landlord kicked me out because he wanted to rent to a Mexican, and someone of color failed to kiss my ass when I walked into their store. Now, that's what I call racism!

    Racism is hatred for another race, in my book.

    Pretty simple. We'll let you write the memo so no one will be troubled by anything complicated. Take it easy on us white guys, though. You know how tough our life is already.
    Wow. Hate white people much? You are one angry dude.

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    So only white people can be racist?
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    To frame it in such terms implies that we essentially have no history. It also implies a misunderstanding of how racism is manifested.

    You see, it's all about the white man being burdened by this race thing and, again, he's at the center of the universe so we know how unfair that is.

    Don't you see, Hannity, OReilly, Dobbs, Savage et al want YOU to be PISSED OFF about this. They are playing the race card to the hilt, and everyone one of these shows is by and about the issue of race. But it's all a bunch of bullshit, and you are the mark. They are marketing to you the idea that you should resent anyone who makes a claim about race, that such claims are never to be trusted, and that you are the one suffering as a result. I don't know about you, but I'm not suffering.

    This sort of ploy--an appeal to base emotions, not reason--is not new. It's worked for a couple of hundred years, although obviously society has changed some ways in that time. But now that message is easily marketing through our new mediums and, guess what? It sells.

    [voiceover] Ditto Rush. You can tell your advertisers you can count on my being there each and every afternoon at 2:00, where I will be waiting with baited breath to hear more about these black and Asian racists.

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    Matclone - Do you really talk like this to people in person? I'm just curious. Sometimes you make good points, but other times you really need to reign it in a little. It's offputting when you go into your attack mode. Especially when no one else on the thread has attacked you, or even mentioned race.

    I'll just ask that you try to keep to the title and intent of the thread. Bringing up arguments and stuff from yesterday or another thread is maddening for me and others to wade through.

    Is Gore guilty of "Do as I say, not as I do"? Sure, and so are most of those in politics who talk about environmental issues. Actually most of those with power, money and influence in the public eye are hypocrites when it comes to environmental issues. In his "movie" Gore talks about the importance of each and every person doing the little things that can make a difference. Sure, the grooms family is responsible for the bill at the rehersal dinner traditionally. However, usually the couple are involved in choice of food provided. At least that's how it's been for every friend I've had that got married. As such, I'm guessing that Al knew before hand what the menu would consist of. So, as a person telling all of us to do our part for the environment, he would have been remiss (as an educated authority on the environment that he claims to be) if he didn't inform the young couple that Chilean Sea Bass was a poor choice. Do we know that he actually ate the fish? No. Could he have done as I have stated above and been told that it was their wedding and they wanted Sea Bass? Sure. He and his defenders still would have had to expect that given his other hipocrisies on the environment (multiple massive houses all over the world that take immense amounts of fuel to keep warm, cool, etc.; private jet trips all over the country and others) he would come under some scrutiny for his daughter providing a large number of people with an endangered species for a dinner that he himself attended. Is it fair, given that many of us do similar things while claiming to care about the environment? No, but no one is reporting what you or I ate for dinner. And, I'm not on national news channels and speaking tours telling everyone else to do all they can to save our planet.

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    therick, sorry to be offputting. Yes, I make the same sorts of arguments in person, although the style is somewhat different, and yes I will say some things in writing that I don't say in person but that's the nature of the medium and I'm sure it holds true for us all.

    Again, SORRY to offer a contrary opinion or take ugly and stupid comments head on. I've noted over time, that other posters can say the worst sort of things and never get criticized, but I say something controversial about the wrong topic, then it's stepping on toes--which shows me, in this country, some people are fair game for false allegations, but other people expect the kid glove treatment. I think what happened here is I made you uncomfortable. Nonetheless, I hear what you say.

    I brought up racism on this thread to compare and contrast, and skewer, the type of argument Flop brought up--to say: what's really important here? Did you see my point, or was it merely subsumed in the attack? Btw, what do you think about his statement that he started the thread just to get a reaction and see who would be stupid enough to defend Gore? Pretty mature, eh?

    You make some cogent arguments about Gore, but I'm still unpersuaded by the argument he's a hypocrite. More importantly, the attack on him on this point is patently silly. If he's not environmentally "pure" (and who gets to determine that?), does that mean he should not advocate for environmental causes? He would be hypocritical if he told you or me to live in a small house for the sake of the environmental when he did not. But I don't see any evidence he's done that sort of thing. Like I said earlier, relevance and proportion matter.

    If I did a Dan Gable (ala Al Gore), and advocated wrestling all across the country, would you call me a hypocrite because I set up a basketball net in the back yard for the kids or went to a basketball game? And if you did, your intent would be...?
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