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    Quote Originally Posted by RYou View Post
    Big tell me why the Eastern block countries including USSR paid their athletes financial rewards for their successful performances ? Gee did it motivate them to enhanced results ? Why weren'ty the athletes satisified with their military pay ? Why did they want to larger appartments, a second dacha ? Performance incentives are a capitalist methodology you know, even though the west did not pay their athletes those types of rewards.
    Russian wrestlers did not wrestle for money or dachas. In some weight classes there were 5 wrestlers that could win worlds but only 1 actually got the chance. Not a sure way to get rich at all. People wrestled because they loved the sport and were good at it. What the government gave them for their victories were prizes for their accomplishments much more than a payment to give them profit.

    I got some souvenirs at tournaments where I won in Russia. It doesn't mean I wrestled to get those souvenirs.

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    "What the government gave them for their victories were prizes for their accomplishments much more than a payment to give them profit."

    Whether a prize or cash there is no difference. I was their job and there was a performance incentive. Don't tell me the top wrestlers weoight lifters and pole vaulters didn't push themselves to a get a bigger apartment and western luxuries, because the did. Bubka and Alexev would crack the world records by fractions each outing because with each new record, the USSR laid another cash prize on them.

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    I just want to know why Christianity was thrown in the mix here.

    Also Capitalism is natural, it is natural for people to want more than the next person and to create a more lucrative life for their family. I like to call it competition like wrestling. Every wrestler wants to be good but some want to be better so they train harder and beat the competition to achieve their goals, Same thing in capitalistic society. I am surprised that the Russians are so good at wrestling when they have such an attitude of complacency.

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    Religion is also NATURAL. Name the society that didn't develop a method of providing answers to the unanswerable questions? Despite the questionable quality of the answers, they were still provided. Man cannot stand a void.

    Free markets are also natural. It's also natural for the hardest workers and smartest workers to be MORE PRODUCTIVE. If unencumbered in gathering rewards for their efforts, the society becomes more PROSPEROUS overall. In a collectivist society workers beome less productive and it follows that the general society is less prosperous.

    What is against human nature is the dictatorship of the proletariat.

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    Most successful college wrestlers are very poor financially. Nice try RYou and Ugly. Love for wrestling and the desire to be the best is natural. Having the biggest bank account is a capitalist disease.

    to a get a bigger apartment and western luxuries, because the did

    Exactly! West corrupts poor souls.

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    Steve,

    What is PROSPEROUS? To me a great health without use of drugs and a great mental attitude is prosperous even with a small bank account.

    To others, two heart attacks and 5 drugs a day intake but $10 million in the bank is prosperous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big View Post
    Most successful college wrestlers are very poor financially. Nice try RYou and Ugly. Love for wrestling and the desire to be the best is natural. Having the biggest bank account is a capitalist disease.

    to a get a bigger apartment and western luxuries, because the did

    Exactly! West corrupts poor souls.
    Self justification at it's finest hour.

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    Big I think that we can agree that success is not based on your bank account but on the accomplishment of goals. I personally wish we didnt waste our time being a slave to the all mighty dollar but that is life. We have a monetary system of trade and if you want nicer things for yourself and your family then you must strive to make more money. I have yet to meet a person with a family that is a true family man say that he is happy with his family living in a shack. Sometimes the situation dictates the circumstances but given the opportunity anyone would attempt to make a better life for their family.

    This should not come at the expense of the family breaking down and I know it often does.

    Also if you are competetive you want to be the best at everything you do not just wrestling Big. I dont think Cael is in a bad way financialy

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    I guess this is as close as we come to agreeing with each other on this one Ugly. I am not against material things but I believe their pursuit should not come at the expense of other fine qualities of life.

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