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    From Fred Thompson's radio show.

    http://fredthompsonshow.com/premiums...lsaXN0U2l6ZT01

    The gov may be stepping into areas they ought not, again.

    Interestingly, that under this version, a benefit calculation will be made before you are allowed to receive special care. If you can afford to pay for care for a parent, the law blocks you from doing so, if the calculation says your Mom or Dad doesn't qualify.

    Notably, this aspect is taken from the UK social medical system - yea one of those systems where all medical care is government funded. It's the crux of the difference between care here and abroad.
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    All I ever hear is criticism without an answer. I don't have health care and don't qualify because my BP is over 200. My kid has health care, and yet I am going to eventually go bankrupt because of her significant medical bills.
    So complain all you want, while I stay uninsured and will probably die young, and in any event am ruined (so I might as well die young), because of the situation of my insured child.

    Get back to me when I care about your political paradigm. Or when you actually have an answer for the many millions not insured, and the millions more that are screwed who have insurance.

    FWIW, this will be my last post on this thread because as I have learned - save for some notable very close friends - nobody really gives a crap about folks like me. I have become cool with that. Hopefully I will get that quick heart attack death and not burden the system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sgallan View Post
    All I ever hear is criticism without an answer. I don't have health care and don't qualify because my BP is over 200. My kid has health care, and yet I am going to eventually go bankrupt because of her significant medical bills.
    So complain all you want, while I stay uninsured and will probably die young, and in any event am ruined (so I might as well die young), because of the situation of my insured child.

    Get back to me when I care about your political paradigm. Or when you actually have an answer for the many millions not insured, and the millions more that are screwed who have insurance.

    FWIW, this will be my last post on this thread because as I have learned - save for some notable very close friends - nobody really gives a crap about folks like me. I have become cool with that. Hopefully I will get that quick heart attack death and not burden the system.
    A) My comments were directed to specific aspects, so don't catagorize me.
    B) If you listened to the discussion it solely related to aspects pertaining to the Seniors, not medical services in general, and the fact it is taking away health benefits they currently enjoy through Medicare. Yea Medicare, the same social medical care system this bill purports to create medical care.

    "Or when you actually have an answer for the many millions not insured, and the millions more that are screwed who have insurance."

    Sorry to here Reni hasn't progressed as quickly as we all hoped.

    As I tell anyone else without health care, find a job that offers it as a benefit. There are more jobs out there that include a medical benefits including pre-existing conditions, than not. Freakin McDonalds offers medical for their minimum wage counter clowns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RYou View Post
    A) My comments were directed to specific aspects, so don't catagorize me.
    B) If you listened to the discussion it solely related to aspects pertaining to the Seniors, not medical services in general, and the fact it is taking away health benefits they currently enjoy through Medicare. Yea Medicare, the same social medical care system this bill purports to create medical care.

    "Or when you actually have an answer for the many millions not insured, and the millions more that are screwed who have insurance."

    Sorry to here Reni hasn't progressed as quickly as we all hoped.

    As I tell anyone else without health care, find a job that offers it as a benefit. There are more jobs out there that include a medical benefits including pre-existing conditions, than not. Freakin McDonalds offers medical for their minimum wage counter clowns.
    BS - You entirely missed the part where Reni has health care and I am still screwed. But what the heck, you have yours..... if Reni stays screwed up, and I die as another 50 year old heart attack victim..... what do you care. You have yours.

    I am not buying your supposed humanity. By dismissing me, with saying "just get a job that offers health care", especially in this economy, your general view is transparent. You don't really care about people like me or Reni (cause you have yours), and it makes you terribly uncomfortable when a real world situation screws up your political paradigm. So I won't bother you anymore with anything real world..... goodness gracious that anybody screw up your paradigm with hurting peoples (200 plus blood pressure means I probably am doomed soon) actual sitaution.
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    You just don't get do you.

    Do yourself a favor and stay out of casinos, you'll lose it all. Your assumptions must be sadly affected by your blood pressure.
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    I have read many things about this bill that makes me shudder!!!

    1. Once you are on you can't get off
    2. the whole calculation portion that you pointed out RYou
    3. the total cost

    I feel for people that can't get private insurance because of certain conditions...both my girlfriend and one of my closest friends can't but they searched for jobs that had insurance as a benifit...they were lower paying jobs but they figured it would help them.

    In addition under this new plan my mother most likely would have died up to a year earlier and my grandfather probably 5-7 years earlier.

    Hell even the Democrats can't agree on this bill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RYou View Post
    Interestingly, that under this version, a benefit calculation will be made before you are allowed to receive special care. If you can afford to pay for care for a parent, the law blocks you from doing so, if the calculation says your Mom or Dad doesn't qualify.
    I'm not sure I follow. If you want/need special care they do a benefit calculation, what constitutes special care? Is the benefit calculation a cost-benefit thing? If so, isn't that how most insurance companies opperate?

    If the calculation says you don't qualify for 'special care' your kids can't pay for it. Is this if you opt into the government option? if your kids have the government option? What would prevent you from leaving the government plan and getting onto a different plan where your kids could pay for your care?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FloggingSully View Post
    I'm not sure I follow. If you want/need special care they do a benefit calculation, what constitutes special care? Is the benefit calculation a cost-benefit thing? If so, isn't that how most insurance companies opperate?

    If the calculation says you don't qualify for 'special care' your kids can't pay for it. Is this if you opt into the government option? if your kids have the government option? What would prevent you from leaving the government plan and getting onto a different plan where your kids could pay for your care?
    Maybe I should have clarified with the full example in the video, the benefit calculation is for elder care. For example, my mother was 77 when she recevied a quad bypass. Unde this plan they would calculate the cost of the procedure vs the estimated life extension. She likely would not have qualified. She lived another 9 years, but started having memory loss and ciruclation problems
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    That is like what they do in the UK. It does not matter that you might need the care to live, the only think that matters is the money.

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