Churchill no longer relevant

UGLY · 07-17-2007, 08:52 AM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770

Can those damn lib Brit's get any stupider or more PC. This is totally obsurd and a shame. Churchill was one of the main reasons why the Allies won WWII and why the UK is still speaking english. I think they have taken it too far in England and I just wonder how long it will be before it starts happening like this in America, no more Lincoln in schools.

Spider · 07-17-2007, 09:24 AM

It seems it's not so much a PC issue as it is making room for subjects more relevant in today's world.

"The slimline regime is being introduced amid concerns that teachers do not have enough time to ensure youngsters master the three Rs"

I agree - a poor choice. Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

UGLY · 07-17-2007, 09:30 AM

Spider I know what they are saying but I believe the English are also going to stop or have stopped teaching about the Holocaust also. I believe this to be a very lib PC country that does not want to be honest about the past so they dont upset people or hurt peoples feelings. How on earth could they stop teaching about one of their most or perhaps the most important historical figure in the last 200 years.

Spider · 07-17-2007, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by UGLY

Spider I know what they are saying but I believe the English are also going to stop or have stopped teaching about the Holocaust also. I believe this to be a very lib PC country that does not want to be honest about the past so they dont upset people or hurt peoples feelings. How on earth could they stop teaching about one of their most or perhaps the most important historical figure in the last 200 years.

Why that's positively . . . . . Russian

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I don't know if that's true about the Brits, but I'll trust your assessment. If you start rewriting history, you might as well not teach it at all. And believe it or not, I think that much too often the PC pendulum swings too far in the other direction. What ever happened to common sense?

UGLY · 07-17-2007, 09:46 AM

Common sense to be says to educate our children the major events of our past and give them a sense of what life was like then. It also tells me that making Hitler a villian is not a bad thing he was a villian but I have heard it said that teaching the Holocaust or WWII presents the Germans as villains. The Germans were not bad people they had a bad leader and the Nazi's were bad the same with the Japanese and the Italians. We have to teach about the heroes and villains and the good and the bad, victory and defeat. Not to point the finger but so that our kids can know what is right and wrong and learn to recognise when a change is needed or when they need to make stand for what is right.

matclone · 07-17-2007, 10:22 AM

Ugly, I agree with all you say about history and education, but did it ever occur to you that the author of the article, and the newspaper, just might be full of shit? Tabloid journalism is common in Britain. I see you've spotted the villain though.

Secondary schools will strip back the traditional curriculum in favour of lessons on debt management, the environment and healthy eating, ministers revealed.

Ministers said. Right.

UGLY · 07-17-2007, 11:26 AM

Clone I also saw this on Hannity and Combs last night.

I dont get what you were saying at the end of your post. How did I spot the villian or the ministers. Sorry I am not thinking clearly today, I am applying for jobs.

matclone · 07-17-2007, 11:40 AM

Clone I also saw this on Hannity and Combs last night.

Ah so. And did you see any indices of reliability as to the information presented other than a belief that Sean Hannity cannot tell a lie?

I dont get what you were saying at the end of your post. How did I spot the villian or the ministers.

You lambasted the British libs (the villain), although it's not clear what "they" (nameless, faceless liberals) have to do with this story. The "ministers" are critical to the claim made by the story's author. Yet, they are unnamed. Not even one. That's a sign that someone might be pulling your leg.

Sorry I am not thinking clearly today, I am applying for jobs

And I could be slightly obtuse. But, good luck.

satiev1 · 07-17-2007, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by UGLY

Common sense to be says to educate our children the major events of our past and give them a sense of what life was like then. It also tells me that making Hitler a villian is not a bad thing he was a villian but I have heard it said that teaching the Holocaust or WWII presents the Germans as villains. The Germans were not bad people they had a bad leader and the Nazi's were bad the same with the Japanese and the Italians. We have to teach about the heroes and villains and the good and the bad, victory and defeat. Not to point the finger but so that our kids can know what is right and wrong and learn to recognise when a change is needed or when they need to make stand for what is right.

It takes more than a bad leader to acheive a facist state. A facist country cannot be created without the majority of the population on the same terms as their leader. With communism it's possible to maintain fear by a bad leader, but not facism.

matclone · 07-17-2007, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by satiev1

A facist country cannot be created without the majority of the population on the same terms as their leader. With communism it's possible to maintain fear by a bad leader, but not facism.

Because...?

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