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    Quote Originally Posted by Spider View Post
    If I read into your post correctly, especially the last part, I think it shows that religion is a very personal thing for you and an intimate part of your life. That's just what I'm saying - religion is personal and individual. It doesn't belong in public government (I didn't say it doesn't belong in public, just in government). Keeping God out of government has nothing to do with any decline of God in our society. It's not the government's job to promote, criticize, or have any effect on religion. I lament that our society shows a selfishness, a lack of respect for others, and no accountability, and God may have been swept away along with proper behavior.
    It isn't so much that it is private. It is personal but we are supposed to proselytize which makes it public. I agree that the government can not and should not support on religion over another, but the disappearance of God in our nation troubles me. As I said earlier it just doesn't make sense for us as Christians to fight all of these meaningless battles.

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    As an atheist, I find it offensive to have statements like "In God We Trust" as a government statement. I will match my patriotic credentials with anyone on the board - but I don't trust in any gods, nor do I want my government espousing faith in god. Let me ask you, would it be O.K. if we replaced "In God We Trust" with "In Allah We Trust"? To me, both are the same - repugnant.
    Then again, I also find it offensive to be catagorized as a crybaby because I don't want to believe in, or have rammed down my throat, the same gods as some other people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M Richardson View Post
    As an atheist, I find it offensive to have statements like "In God We Trust" as a government statement. I will match my patriotic credentials with anyone on the board - but I don't trust in any gods, nor do I want my government espousing faith in god. Let me ask you, would it be O.K. if we replaced "In God We Trust" with "In Allah We Trust"? To me, both are the same - repugnant.
    Then again, I also find it offensive to be catagorized as a crybaby because I don't want to believe in, or have rammed down my throat, the same gods as some other people.

    I did not realize it was being rammed down your throat. I am not categorizing you as a cry baby, unless you feel the need to fight every little thing that has God attached to it. In that case yes I would consider that being a cry baby. If the Government fully endorsed a religion then I see the need to be upset or if they mandated you become a religion fine. I think the founders had it right when they said the state would not endorse not suppress religion. I dont think they had it in mind that their would be battles over the littlest items. All I am saying is pick your battles, if you fight everyone of them it doesn't have the same affect. What does having something on money or on a building bother atheist's? Does it make you question your beliefs? Do you really feel like you are being discriminated against as the man in the article suggests? If so then I really question the strength of your conviction.
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    I honestly think a lot of atheist and agnostics are just cry babies. They have got to complain about everything . It is not a surprise anymore.
    $100,000 to engrave some words?!?! Whew.... talk about a waste of money. So much for the conservative idea of not spending money senselessly. Same ol', same ol'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UGLY View Post
    What does having something on money or on a building bother atheist's? Does it make you question your beliefs? Do you really feel like you are being discriminated against as the man in the article suggests? If so then I really question the strength of your conviction.
    If you see me as a crybaby, so be it, but it does bother me a lot that my government chooses to make a religious statement on its buildings, on its money, in its courtrooms, in the Pledge of Allegiance, etc. etc. Religion does not belong in government. Even if I were a devout believer in God, I would feel the same way.
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    Spider we agree, I just see the need or good in making a fuss oer every little thing. I dont think you are a cry baby.

    Scott I agree with you spending that much money on this is a waste.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UGLY View Post
    Spider I know how you feel and I dont begrudge you for it. I just feel that others that believe as you do are babies, they play the minority card all of the time. I guess they are lucky we dont live in a democracy.

    If they took God off of the money and other buildings I would be a little upset I guess. If it was to appease a minority of the country then i would be upset, other than that I dont know that I care anymore. As a Christian there are so many more important things to worry about, I dont think having God on our money or buildings is bringing anyone to Christ. Not having would have no affect on my faith, if they put "one nation without God" on our money it has no affect on my faith. I personally see the decline of God in our society as a proof that Jesus was God.
    Do you mean the babies that are whining that the feds are going to take their guns? Do you mean the whining about taxes by all you repubs ever since Bush was a lame duck (you guys loved him for the most part). Do you mean the whining that abortion is political and the fundies are upset to say the least.

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    Personally, I may be against the gov't supporting religion-but I really could care less. I agree with ugly that it's not a good battle but what else do atheists have to do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by washed up wrestler View Post
    Do you mean the babies that are whining that the feds are going to take their guns? Do you mean the whining about taxes by all you repubs ever since Bush was a lame duck (you guys loved him for the most part). Do you mean the whining that abortion is political and the fundies are upset to say the least.

    I suppose I would consider myself a crybaby over some of those things just because that is policy that directly affects the way we live. I am especially a crybaby about gun control.

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