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    I suspect that my great-uncle Roland, for whom my father was named, would have been willing to stop hating the Germans at Belleau Wood. Except of course, they killed him there. And, I suspect the two uncles killed, one in Europe, one in the Pacific, would have been willing to forgo "civil war" if you could have convinced Hitler and Tojo to do the same. You would have had more difficulty with my father, who never really forgave the Japanese.
    The problem with videos like this is that they assume that peace is a unilateral endeavor. Play nice and the other side will too. Makes for great entertainment, but lousy policy. Ask Neville Chamberlain.

    R.I.P. Cyrano and Roxanne.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M Richardson View Post
    I suspect that my great-uncle Roland, for whom my father was named, would have been willing to stop hating the Germans at Belleau Wood. Except of course, they killed him there. And, I suspect the two uncles killed, one in Europe, one in the Pacific, would have been willing to forgo "civil war" if you could have convinced Hitler and Tojo to do the same. You would have had more difficulty with my father, who never really forgave the Japanese.
    The problem with videos like this is that they assume that peace is a unilateral endeavor. Play nice and the other side will too. Makes for great entertainment, but lousy policy. Ask Neville Chamberlain.
    Listen I just meant useless war such as Iraq we are telling them to get there act together so we can buy oil from them.

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    Listen I just meant useless war such as Iraq we are telling them to get there act together so we can buy oil from them.
    I don't know for certain what was behind going into Iraq we only know what was told to us. Some think it was just for oil, because Bush is the devil, because they had WMD's, because Sadamm was evil. It will probably be 50 years until we know for sure, in the meantime who care!!!!

    Better yet see what the people of Iraq say....you will probably get mixed opinions there as well.

    Since that is the case we can do one of two things.....complain about the why or focus on the how. How can we win the war and get our brave men and women home and not leave the country worse than when we got there.

    Just a thought

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    1. The video was focused on WWI and WWII, not Iraq, Afganistan, or any of the other "unpopular" wars.
    2. I am not convinced that the intervention in Iraq is based on oil (my understanding is that we didn't buy much from them before, and we are not buying much from them now - their market is primarily European.) I suspect the "war for oil" is a convenient arguement for those who are anti-war, or more importantly, anti-Bush. History will tell, I suppose, but I strongly suspect the Iraqi people are a LOT better off now then they were a few years ago, and with potential for even greater progress. Complex issues rarely have simple causes or simple solutions.
    3. Regardless of the conflict in discussion, peace is still not a unilateral issue. "What if they held a war and nobody came?" is a great bumper sticker, but a rather distorted view of reality.

    R.I.P. Cyrano and Roxanne.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M Richardson View Post
    1. The video was focused on WWI and WWII, not Iraq, Afganistan, or any of the other "unpopular" wars.
    2. I am not convinced that the intervention in Iraq is based on oil (my understanding is that we didn't buy much from them before, and we are not buying much from them now - their market is primarily European.) I suspect the "war for oil" is a convenient arguement for those who are anti-war, or more importantly, anti-Bush. History will tell, I suppose, but I strongly suspect the Iraqi people are a LOT better off now then they were a few years ago, and with potential for even greater progress. Complex issues rarely have simple causes or simple solutions.
    3. Regardless of the conflict in discussion, peace is still not a unilateral issue. "What if they held a war and nobody came?" is a great bumper sticker, but a rather distorted view of reality.
    The vietaim war or should I say police action.

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    The vietaim war or should I say police action.
    You are a piece of work man....that's the portion that you focused on..wow

    Congrats you know that Vietnam was not an official war recognized by Congress but I bet if you asked the brave men on the ground in Vietnam they would say different.

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    You are a piece of work man....that's the portion that you focused on..wow

    Congrats you know that Vietnam was not an official war recognized by Congress but I bet if you asked the brave men on the ground in Vietnam they would say different.
    not what i'm focosed on it is just when the song was made.

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    In Italy, for thirty years under the Borgia's, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love, they had five hundred years of democracy and peace, what did they produce? The cuckoo clock.
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    I know that you want peace, hell we all want peace. Nobody wants to go to war or send their loved ones off to fight on a foreign land. We dont want to send them to fight in our own back yard. But life is life and our nature is to have war. War might never be justified in some persons eyes but to others the sacrifices are worth while. When WWII was over and the world was at peace I think that it was worth it. The alternative would have been the growth of Nazi Germany to the greatest power in the world and the end to almost every Jew in Europe. Without the American revolution we would be that country that France and England fought over for the next 50 years with no say in our own future. Was the Civil war not worth fighting, or how about the French revolution. Should the Saxons not have stood up to the Romans. Are we to appease every leader who wants expansion. Should we simply turn our head when it is someone else's turn to rule even if it means we are enslaved?

    I dont like war but I will fight as many have before me in order to protect this nation and our way of life. Not because I want to do it but because on occasion it has got to be done. If you dont like it go to Switzerland and see how it goes, until someone decides they like that land.

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