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    In Italy, for thirty years under the Borgia's, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love, they had five hundred years of democracy and peace, what did they produce? The cuckoo clock.
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    I know that you want peace, hell we all want peace. Nobody wants to go to war or send their loved ones off to fight on a foreign land. We dont want to send them to fight in our own back yard. But life is life and our nature is to have war. War might never be justified in some persons eyes but to others the sacrifices are worth while. When WWII was over and the world was at peace I think that it was worth it. The alternative would have been the growth of Nazi Germany to the greatest power in the world and the end to almost every Jew in Europe. Without the American revolution we would be that country that France and England fought over for the next 50 years with no say in our own future. Was the Civil war not worth fighting, or how about the French revolution. Should the Saxons not have stood up to the Romans. Are we to appease every leader who wants expansion. Should we simply turn our head when it is someone else's turn to rule even if it means we are enslaved?

    I dont like war but I will fight as many have before me in order to protect this nation and our way of life. Not because I want to do it but because on occasion it has got to be done. If you dont like it go to Switzerland and see how it goes, until someone decides they like that land.
    As my dads friend says maybe americas problem is that we never been invaded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sterling View Post
    As my dads friend says maybe americas problem is that we never been invaded.
    Why would that be a problem? While we have not been invaded we have been occupied to a degree and we fought a war against our self. So the notion that we have never felt the effects of war does not work IMO. Also IMO invading America would be a terrible mistake not only logistically but strategy wise also. Americans have guns and are not afraid to use them. Peace without war is a pipe dream. We have pockets of war and pockets of peace. Would we have more peace if we did not fight wars? Do you think that every leader in the world would be satisfied with their lot in life, or is it more realistic to believe that someone will want more than they have and try to take it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sterling View Post
    As my dads friend says maybe americas problem is that we never been invaded.
    Pearl Harbor?

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    War of 1812? I'm not so good with the history but we Canadians keep bragging that we burned the White House (the Arrogant Worms even have a song about it) so maybe that counts as an invasion.

    Sidebar (and this is a serious question): how exactly is invading Iraq for oil supposed to work? Did the gov't hope that, some time down the line, the new Iraq wou;d sell oil cheaply to Americans or what was the deal? If you're talking about invading a country for financial gain, then invading Iraq was a really stupid plan: all cost and no profit, so far at least.

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    Pearl Harbor?
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    War of 1812?
    arm-spin beat me to it.

    You could technically use the Civil War too, with Lee's invasions in 1862 and 1863.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arm-spin View Post
    Pearl Harbor?
    War of 1812? I'm not so good with the history but we Canadians keep bragging that we burned the White House (the Arrogant Worms even have a song about it) so maybe that counts as an invasion.

    Sidebar (and this is a serious question): how exactly is invading Iraq for oil supposed to work? Did the gov't hope that, some time down the line, the new Iraq wou;d sell oil cheaply to Americans or what was the deal? If you're talking about invading a country for financial gain, then invading Iraq was a really stupid plan: all cost and no profit, so far at least.
    not really no it is not a invasion and pearl harbor was a bombing not a invasion.

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    Why does 1812 not count?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JensenS View Post
    arm-spin beat me to it.

    You could technically use the Civil War too, with Lee's invasions in 1862 and 1863.
    I mentioned the Civil war but not as an invasion, however after the south seceded they essentially became an invading force once they crossed into the North American territories. Could the same be said about the North invading the south?

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    During WW2 What is now part of the state of Alaska (Aleutian Islands) was invaded and occupied by Japanese troops.

    Alaska was not a state at the time (nor was Hawaii) both became states in the 1950's.

    "Mainland" USA as well as Canada were attacked during WW2 but those attacks were considered very minor events and caused little to no real damage.

    Good link about the attacks - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks...g_World_War_II
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