Ground&Pound

I tend to lean anti-abortion, however religion has nothing to do with it.

I think that scientifically, an embryo with its own unique set of DNA is a human life. I most certainly think that a fetus with a beating heart is a human being.

Destroying either, in my scientific opinion, would constitute ending a human life.

It is against the law to shot a bald eagle and it is also illegal to steal bald eagle eggs from a nest.

However, I make exceptions for rape, incest, and if the mother’s life is in danger.

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Spider

While I don't completely agree, I find this argument very reasonable (except the egg part). I appreciate that many conservative points of view are viable without a religious basis, and these should be seriously considered and debated by our lawmakers.

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FloggingSully

But, even if that embryo is a human life, it's still a parasite and is dependent on another human being's internal organs to stay alive. I don't believe that the government should be able to require a person to share their organs with another person.

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Spider

So should one conjoined twin who shares a heart with another be allowed to kill his brother?

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Ground&Pound

Not considering rape, that "parasite" was not acquired like the common cold.

The mother should take some responsibility for human life in which she played a major role in creating.

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Spider

Tissue cultures of heart cells can beat like a heart, but they are not embyos and have no potential for becoming embryos. A heartbeat is not a litmus test for a human being with a right to life.

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FloggingSully

Maybe 'share' wasn't the right word, how about 'lend'?

Neither of the conjoined twins are lending their heart to the other one, it's always been both of theirs.

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FloggingSully

I don't disagree about what she should do, I'm talking about what the government should/shouldn't force her to do.

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Ground&Pound

I realize that I don't speak for the entire scientific community, but in my book a heartbeat = a life.

Tissue cultures that were manipulated by man to grow in an artificial environment are not the same as a naturally conceived embryo inside of a woman's womb.

The embryo, without human interference, will in most likelihood become a viable human being. The tissue sample will not.


As far as I know, marijuana seeds are illegal to possess. They are not marijuana plants, but the contain an embryo of one. In this case embryo = life.

The same with bald eagle eggs. embryo = life.

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Ground&Pound

We force the father to pay for the baby when it's born. Why can't we force the mother to do her part before it's born.




If the mother abandons the newborn, it's murder.

If she aborts the embryo/fetus then it's ok.

When do we draw the line? 1st trimester? 2nd trimester?

In my opinion based on my understanding of biology, I feel the embryo, fetus & newborn are one in the same.

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