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    Default RIP Robert McNamara

    Frmr Sec. of Defense. He was a pivotal figure in our country's history, particularly during the Vietnam era, where his role in that war was probably at least as large as Rumsfeld's in the second Iraq war.

    The Fog of War (2003?), in which you get to hear him talk at length about Vietnam and other matters, is an excellent documentary.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090706/.../obit_mcnamara

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    What I really was amazed at in the documentary was that McNamara was introspective and honest regarding his role and the historical perspective which doesn't exactly make him out to be a genius.

    I think the big difference between he and Rummy is that Rummy sincerely believes he did nothing wrong and was the victim of the evil mainstream media.

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    I had to take a college course on the Vietnam War and one of the books that we had to read was A Bright Shining Lie (also made into an HBO movie in the mid-'90's) and while it told how McNamara and the U.S. military just couldn't believe that it could possibly lose to a third world army like the Viet Cong, the one who I thought got hung out to dry was LBJ.

    LBJ kept hearing from the press that things were not going well so when he wanted to find out the truth of the situation, he kept sending McNamara over there to see what the reality of the situation was.....and McNamara kept talking to Westmoreland...who kept saying he needed more men and things would be fine.

    Pretty messed up situation, that's for sure.
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    LBJ might have gone down as one of the great presidents but Vietnam was his undoing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black-n-Red View Post
    I had to take a college course on the Vietnam War and one of the books that we had to read was A Bright Shining Lie (also made into an HBO movie in the mid-'90's) and while it told how McNamara and the U.S. military just couldn't believe that it could possibly lose to a third world army like the Viet Cong, the one who I thought got hung out to dry was LBJ.

    LBJ kept hearing from the press that things were not going well so when he wanted to find out the truth of the situation, he kept sending McNamara over there to see what the reality of the situation was.....and McNamara kept talking to Westmoreland...who kept saying he needed more men and things would be fine.

    Pretty messed up situation, that's for sure.
    McNamara was the architect for the "limited response" form of warfare - extending the war for years and costing thousands and thousands of lives. At one point he had us radioing into headquarters for permission to return fire. In some areas, no operations could take place without permission from the local Vietnamese Army commander - who were often Viet Cong sympathizers (and/or bribed) and would pass the information on to the enemy. McNamara was not one of my favorite people.
    MatClone - I agree, Johnson will eventually be held in much higher regard for the things that he accomplished as president - except for Vietnam.

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